wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

[StrangerYears]

Clive and Iuliia Gurzhii were all over the news for 3 days in August, after idiotically going to give birth on a beach a long way from home.
The birth was unwitnessed and very odd circumstances.
I googled them and all I could find was a gofundme (never saw that one coming!!) - it raised GBP128 out of an ambitious target of GBP15.000.

Do you think they are still out there?

Not sure we totally know the elder daughter is Lulia's - def Clive's (well he said his daughter was ripped from his arms).

I bet the British Consulate in the Caymens dreads any calls about Clive!

"Oh no what the fuck has he done now!"

I mean people trafficking wasn't even a thing in the Caymens!

I am totally obsessed by this story!

edit - I stand corrected that article is clear it is “their” child. Thanks @Dixiechickonhols

Not sure we totally know the elder daughter is Lulia's - def Clive's (well he said his daughter was ripped from his arms).

I was really over invested in this for the original MN thread!

In 2016 he was in court for a driving offence in 2015 with his wife and baby in the car. That matched the age reported for the older child. Of course doesn’t mean it was his, but I noted it because I’d assumed 8 year age gap between children and significantly younger foreign wife meant the older child wasn’t his.

He’s got quite the digital footprint, has our Clive!

ETA: Sorry - reread and I think you’re saying it might be his child but not Iulia’s?

He does have an interesting digital footprint.

For someone who objects to being monitored, he's allowed the Internet to do a great job of monitoring him.....maybe behave and keep your head down, matey boy!

https://www.caymancompass.com/2024/09/06/yacht-couple-convicted-of-smuggling-ethiopian-refugees/

I find it fascinating just HOW much shit one bloke can cause by being a die-hard dedicated walloper! (On top of clearly being a nasty bastard, if the people smuggling and almost certainly worse... is true).

Note:
Hernandez ordered the confiscation of the yacht and the US$3,946 found on it.

And

The court heard the couple’s baby daughter, who was also on board, is now a ward of the High Court of England and Wales.

Not the Cayman Islands.

Yes from original thread there was discussion re if older daughter was with a different partner.
His wife and baby (elder daughter) were in car when he was convicted of dangerous driving and I think one report someone found referred to wife as Iulia (possibly spelled with a J)
The go fund me era press articles referred to leaving their older daughter behind in England with a relative of Iulia.

Yes I think it was established that the elder daughter is theirs. Her name is known, because he made it public, but of course not appropriate to mention it here.

I'd like to know where and when he learned how to handle an oceangoing yacht, or if there were others on board doing the actual work.

I expect there are ongoing police enquiries tracing the money and the contacts.

What a spectacular downfall - going from flying abroad to fulfil a free birth dream to sailing the seas trafficking people to ending up in prison and no custody of either child. What an unbelievable chain of events to avoid a hospital birth.

What an unbelievable chain of events to avoid a hospital birth.

I very much doubt that it really happened that way. It's looking far more likely they cooked up the free birth story to try to account for the fact they couldn't prove when and where the baby was born. Because she was born on a yacht that was engaged in people trafficking. And they kept moving on when people asked awkward questions when they tried to register the birth.

I noticed there was a "Contact the organiser" button on the JustGiving page. I messaged and he replied. It comes through as an email so I could email back. As I said someone said something which made me feel bad for Yuliya who was clearly vulnerable so shortly after birth with a newborn and no home, so I stopped messaging and never posted about it. I wouldn't have said anything about it now had it not been for the fact that they're both now in jail. They might be idiots but I don't want to be responsible for anyone getting doxed! 🤣

Being a ward of the court doesn't necessarily mean the baby is back in the UK though. It just means the High Court decide what will happen for any of the major decisions.

Arguably, back in the same general location as an older sibling so that contact is possible would seem sensible, but on the other hand that means contact with the mother is not possible so the baby could be in foster care with a court appointed guardian, close to wherever the mother is in prison.

I find the fact that no UK media outlet have picked up on this story as a bit suspicious!

I mean it has everything!

Would there be some sort of gagging order or something through the courts?

I find the fact that no UK media outlet have picked up on this story as a bit suspicious!

I mean it has everything!

Would there be some sort of gagging order or something through the courts?

The local news item linked says that they cannot be named for legal reasons.

So whereas those who have been following the whole saga will find them readily identifiable, no British MSM is going to go against the conditions by of a British overseas territory court and name them here. Which doesn't really leave much of a story

Yes, it started off as a Daily Mail sadface/point and laugh story, so was covered as such, then turned into something much more complex with different legal and privacy implications, hence the lack of coverage.

They were named in the first local news reports. Otherwise another poster is unlikely to have picked up the story on Google by searching the very unusual name.

It was only after then that the court added the restriction.

But it's very obvious it's them due to the unusual details of the case.

This is the trouble with the internet and having an unusual name and then committing a pretty heinous crime that's never previously happened in that country before. (Not his original name too - he chose to be more identifiable which is utterly bizarre given his beliefs!).

This couple are in the Cayman Islands now …. They have been arrested for human trafficking google - cayman Clive Gurzhii

Yes, several pages of posts over the past few weeks on this thread have already established that!

They are currently in a Cayman Islands prison on people smuggling charges after sailing a boat the our sister island Cayman brac in the Caribbean.
have a look at the cayman compass.

Jumping on this thread to follow for any updates/discussions, I regularly end up thinking about this story.

I was on another thread about this same case back while ago but never saw this update until now! I’m sure Clive popped up on the thread I was on purporting to be a “friend” of theirs.

I get a bit excited when I see a new post on this thread! Wondering what wild update there is.

I'd love to see this as a film! It's completely insane!

This was latest I saw. Both convicted re people smuggling and baby a ward of court. I assume gone quiet due to reporting restrictions with 2 children now left with both parents in prison. The baby had been with them in Cayman Islands and presumably still had no passport. The tween was with a relative in Tameside but there has been social services involvement (Clive flew back at one point due to this) www.caymancompass.com/2024/09/06/yacht-couple-convicted-of-smuggling-ethiopian-refugees/

What enormous emotional damage will have been done to the two innocent children involved in this saga, because of this pair of lunatics.