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Poudretteite · 2023-10-14T13:39:40+00:00

Should Israel open its borders? Be given back to the Palestinian people? Where should the Jewish people go? What about the high risk of genocide? Interested to hear as many people over the last few days have said they are anti-Zionist and that it's different to antisemitism.

Pollyputhekettleon · 17/10/2023 21:26

ForeverScout · 17/10/2023 20:57

Read again. Those descriptors apply to the historic British Empire, not Israel/Hamas. I just think it's laughable people of presumably British descent are so outraged by Ottoman history given their own.

And yes, white supremacy is very much a part of it. I am part Australian, I suggest you look up how the land was settled, what the Crown did to the indigenous people, and the White Australia policies. I am also Kiwi, where the British nearly managed to effectively and purposefully annihilate Maori culture and language. Kids in my area had the shit beaten out of them at school for speaking their native tongue. That is living memory - the youngest of that cohort are in their 60s now. It has only been a concerted effort over the past 30 years that has seen Maori language brought back from extinction, and that has not been without pushback with a distinct colonial white supremacist edge to it.

So yes, I will name white supremacy as it absolutely was part of my country and many other countries experiences with the British. But hey, let's get back to those terrible terrible Ottomans.

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I couldn't give a crap about your beef with the British. What part of I'm Irish do you not comprehend? I won't be engaging with this silliness further. This is insanely off topic.

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:26

@Parkingt111
So even if they didn't blow up the hospital, you'll still hold them responsible?

Sounds pretty standard when it comes to Israel, to be honest. Jenin "massacre" all over again.

Please don't hold Israel responsible for things they haven't done. It's nonsensical

Trulywonderful · 17/10/2023 21:27

Pollyputhekettleon · 17/10/2023 21:23

We weren't discussing whether life was better under the Ottomans than under someone else and we weren't talking about Turkey.

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Sorry the discuss was sounding to me like the Ottoman were being painted as the bad guys and also sounded like some confusion over if they were Muslim. Obviously I misunderstood then.

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:28

@Maatandosiris or maybe it was Israel

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:29

@OhHelloTheres I meant I will not believe any so called 'proof'
Let's see what they come up with first

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:33

@Parkingt111
The fact you're calling it "proof" means you've already made up your mind. You've already decided to blame Israel. This is exactly what terrorists such as Hamas rely on, people being willing to believe anything. People feeling sorry for the perceived underdog. Please don't fall for their trap. I implore you to please wait and be open minded

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:35

@OhHelloTheres
What do you make of this deleted tweet by an Israeli minister?

If you are anti-Zionist, what do you think Israel should do?

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:37

@OhHelloTheres il tell you what I honestly think.
I think the bombing on the hospital was deliberate. But I don't think at this large scale. And I don't think Israel deliberately meant to cause this much damage. But they are hardly going to admit that now knowing the international community will not let something as huge as this slide

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:38

@Parkingt111
I would assume the fact he posted it so quickly means he posted before knowing any facts. Just like everyone on here is doing

ForeverScout · 17/10/2023 21:39

Pollyputhekettleon · 17/10/2023 21:26

I couldn't give a crap about your beef with the British. What part of I'm Irish do you not comprehend? I won't be engaging with this silliness further. This is insanely off topic.

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I'm not the one who started this. I made a comment based on multiple previous posters talking about how terrible Arabs & the Ottoman Empire treated the Jews way back when, sneering at the divisions enacted long ago as if somehow they're the only people to ever treat other racial groups badly. I thought it was hypocritical considering the history of Britain around the world. You chose to push back on the "silliness" all by yourself. Don't agree? Fine, move along. But engaging by quoting me then getting pissed off when I reply is a bit stupid really.

Clavinova · 17/10/2023 21:40

What do you make of this deleted tweet by an Israeli minister?

Hananya Naftali is a leading Israeli Jewish influencer and human rights activist in the fight against antisemitism, antizionism and the BDS Movement.

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:40

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:38

@Parkingt111
I would assume the fact he posted it so quickly means he posted before knowing any facts. Just like everyone on here is doing

That is also possible
Also shows their mindset. The end justifies the means.
Palestinian civilian lives are worthless

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:40

Not sure he speaks on behalf of anyone apart from himself to be honest

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:42

Just like Hamas and a lot of Palestinians, the ones you saw celebrating on the streets on 7th October, think Israeli and Jewish lives are worthless.

I don't think Palestinian lives are worthless. I think they're worth just as much as everyone else.

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:45

@Clavinova @OhHelloTheres but he's not just any old influencer is he
He works as part of Benjamin Netanyahu's social media team
Surely someone who works in media for the prime minister would be more careful before posting something like that?
Unless he was told to quickly delete as part of damage control

DavidSnow007 · 17/10/2023 21:48

Clavinova · 17/10/2023 21:16

Several reports only refer to civilian hostages - not all the hostages.

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Let's have the full story please. Hamas want 6000 prisoners in return, which is basically a new army for them.

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:48

@Parkingt111
Please stop making assumptions. You're not doing yourself any favours, you're just coming across a bit like a conspiracy theorist. Why would someone in charge of PM social media, if the even is what he does as I honestly have no idea who he is, have any kind of inside knowledge? The PM probably wouldn't even know himself, he's not the head of the IDF

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:48

Iv just had a look at his last few tweets. I see damage control is in full swing
Looks like someone is going to be in alot of trouble

Clavinova · 17/10/2023 21:50

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:45

@Clavinova @OhHelloTheres but he's not just any old influencer is he
He works as part of Benjamin Netanyahu's social media team
Surely someone who works in media for the prime minister would be more careful before posting something like that?
Unless he was told to quickly delete as part of damage control

There's no date on your tweet - when was it posted?

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:52

@Parkingt111
If he's posted something false and unproven then he should be in trouble. It's an irresponsible thing to do. But the vast majority of people on here are doing the exact same thing so 🤷🏻‍♀️

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:53

@Clavinova

LemonyTicket · 17/10/2023 21:54

Morrisdorris · 17/10/2023 18:42

The link contains nothing about ottomans. I feel there's significant misunderstanding here. Ottomans were Turks, not Arabs. Turks are Turkish people of Turkey, of anatolia. We have zero problem with Jews, Judaism, and Jews were not second class in Turkey ever. There was a tax, in 1600s, applied to non Muslims. Are we talking about this? There's never been any different clothing for Jews or massacres against Jews or anything like this in Turkey. I don't know what dhimni is, it is an Arabic word. Turks speak Turkish not Arabic. The language and culture are very different. We interpret Islam differently. Most Turkish people would be happier with a Jewish population in their country than a Arabic population. Yes of course there are many brainwashed idiots in Turkey but that's a different story. Please stop equating Arabs and Turks it's very offensive.

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The Ottoman empire were in power and decided on laws and so on. so this was under Ottoman rule.

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:54

@OhHelloTheres honestly I didn't make it up
There's an interview where he talks about how happy he was to be offered the job by Netanyahu

Parkingt111 · 17/10/2023 21:55

OhHelloTheres · 17/10/2023 21:52

@Parkingt111
If he's posted something false and unproven then he should be in trouble. It's an irresponsible thing to do. But the vast majority of people on here are doing the exact same thing so 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't doubt he must be in alot of trouble for what he posted

DavidSnow007 · 17/10/2023 21:55

What I'm not going to forget is how what seemed like an army of posters suddenly appeared and without so much as a "I'll just check first" believed the Hamas/Twitter info without question. The hate that came out of it was incredible.

I'm quite prepared to believe it could of been an accident but the precision bombing has been pretty good, tactically speaking, given the amount of ordanence dropped v casualties.

I'm also more than prepared to believe it was a monumental fuck up by some Hamas grunt who hasn't slept in 3 days.

That was a very telling 45 minutes though.