If you are anti-Zionist, what do you think Israel should do?

[Poudretteite]

Should Israel open its borders? Be given back to the Palestinian people? Where should the Jewish people go? What about the high risk of genocide?

Interested to hear as many people over the last few days have said they are anti-Zionist and that it's different to antisemitism.

I literally can't tell if the Jews in this fascinating analogy are the British Empire or the Ottoman Empire.

They just want people from Gaza to stop murdering Israelis

Gaza is fast becoming destroyed. Wasteland. Gone.

Those who aren’t killed, hundreds of thousands/millions of people, children, the ones with nothing, where do they go now? And what do they do when they get there?

Answers on a postcard.

@OhHelloTheres

Still waiting for further updates but this was on sky

"This is a Christian-run hospital in Gaza. I understand the IDF are looking into it, saying they may have hit a missile depo that caused a far bigger explosion or whether this was a direct hit which might have been a mistake.
"Whatever it is, it is a catastrophic incident in what is already a dire situation."

No not at all, despite your wishes. Anything more interesting to add than the mantra of those who have nothing useful to say?

Are you actually calling for us to have pity on a group identified as terrorists my many countries? A group who burned children alive? Are you actually serious? Would you like us to send these poor little terrorist guns because they’re so impoverished they can’t afford them?

I agree we need to wait for confirmation of this.

It could be Hamas blowing up it's own tunnels under the hospital to stop the Israelis ground offensive.

From the BBC website;-

"The BBC's international editor Jeremy Bowen says he has received a statement in a phone call from the spokesperson’s office of the Israel Defence Forces, reacting to what Palestinian officials have said was an Israeli strike on the Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza.
The statement says "a hospital is a highly sensitive building and is not an IDF target."
"The IDF is investigating the source of the explosion and as always is prioritising accuracy and reliability."
"We urge everyone to proceed with caution when reporting unverified claims of a terrorist organisation."

Neither. Merely commenting on the thinly veiled disgust for the history of the Ottoman Empire by presumably people who are majority of the British Empire. It's ironic that's all, talking about how awful they treated the Jews when the British treatment of indigenous peoples has been horrific the world over. Much of which is still living memory with awful consequences for those of us living in "the colonies".

Maybe Iran could help
as they’re involvement is becoming increasingly clear?

Or maybe the people of Gaza get rid of Hamas and live alongside the Jews without threatening to wipe Israel out?

You know what
It's hardly likely that Israel will say yes it was us we blew up the hospital just like we have been blowing everything else up
I do not believe that Hamas would blow up the hospital and then to some extent accept defeat by agreeing to release all the hostages if Israel stops the bombing

What an extraordinary thing to do. Is there anything people can't manage to interpret as white supremacy? I'm Irish. I suggest you remove that large chip from your shoulder.

Update - hospital strike

It appears the strike hit the courtyard, not the hospital. Tragically many displaced persons were sheltering there.

"The Israel Defence Forces are looking the hospital attack, spokesperson Daniel Hagari" said, adding that "it was unclear if the cause was an IDF strike or a failed Hamas launch."

No not at all, despite your wishes. Anything more interesting to add than the mantra of those who have nothing useful to say

Well you could try reading some of my other posts I suppose. But I can’t promise they’re interesting as such.

@Parkingt111
"You know what
It's hardly likely that Israel will say yes it was us we blew up the hospital just like we have been blowing everything else up
I do not believe that Hamas would blow up the hospital and then to some extent accept defeat by agreeing to release all the hostages if Israel stops the bombing"

I understand what you're saying, but Israel will acknowledge it if they're responsible. They'll have no choice, people will demand answers. As you yourself said, it's fully possible Israel hit a legitimate target but that it was full of rockets that then caused the massive explosion. I'm not sure who you'd blame in that event. I personally would in that case put the blame on Hamas for once again storing explosives next to a hospital, once again hiding among civilians. I can see how you might have a different opinion though. But again, this might not have been the case. It might have been misfire by Hamas. Hamas are terrorists, they're unpredictable. It's not at all impossible that they blew it up and then decided to start negotiating about the hostages. It's also possible that Israel hit it, either accidentally or on purpose, in which case I heavily condone it (not the me condoning it actually helps).

Point is, we have no choice but to wait and see, and pray for those affected (if you're that way inclined). Whoever is responsible, it's a devastating loss of life.

Hopefully the hostages can be released asap, Hamas eliminated and these attrocities can come to an end.

Oh good, sounds like we have another player entering the war games. Islamic Jihad.

It's never-ending.

I am Jewish and no great historical expert on the Ottoman but my understanding is yes otherall Jews lived better under their rule. It wasn't always great depending on who was in charge of their their area. However still better than under the British Mandate because the British failed to protect them from certain groups of Arabs.

My father lived in Turkey as a Jew very happily. The fact it is a Muslim country was never an issue. However Erdogan gradually has changed Turkey and it ended up better to hid his Jewishness to those other than his close personal friends. Such lovely welcoming people the Turkey. A shame the government made it worrying for some non Muslim people living there. No idea what it is like now my father died in 2018.

Read again. Those descriptors apply to the historic British Empire, not Israel/Hamas. I just think it's laughable people of presumably British descent are so outraged by Ottoman history given their own.

And yes, white supremacy is very much a part of it. I am part Australian, I suggest you look up how the land was settled, what the Crown did to the indigenous people, and the White Australia policies. I am also Kiwi, where the British nearly managed to effectively and purposefully annihilate Maori culture and language. Kids in my area had the shit beaten out of them at school for speaking their native tongue. That is living memory - the youngest of that cohort are in their 60s now. It has only been a concerted effort over the past 30 years that has seen Maori language brought back from extinction, and that has not been without pushback with a distinct colonial white supremacist edge to it.

So yes, I will name white supremacy as it absolutely was part of my country and many other countries experiences with the British. But hey, let's get back to those terrible terrible Ottomans.

@OhHelloTheres
I don't believe for one second that it was hamas or any other group from within palesting
Have you seen the scale of destruction?
If hamas had a bomb that could cause this much destruction it would definitely have used it on Israel much earlier than today

There is no way Israel will say it was us

But the people are not idiots like the media may think we are

@Parkingt111
What if Israel can provide proof? Will you believe it then? Or will you just keep assuming it's Israel because that's what you want to believe, the belief that makes the most sense to you?

It might not have been one bomb. It might have been several. We're dealing with terrorists here, literally anything is possible

Please go have a cup of tea or a glass of wine. Whatever works for you.

If you post such stuff then people will take the piss. Learn to roll with it. I think the land of Gaza belongs to the Gazen people. I don't think it should be used as a giant military base but that is Hamas fault.

Plus no Jew wants to live there or own what was Philistine apart from a handful of nutter Settlers. Before 2005 when Isgave up Gaza to the Arabs there only a tiny number of Jews lived there. Particularly because Arabs keep killing Jews and partly because Jews are not interested in the land. It was never part of the Holy Land, it was just an add on left over by the British Mandate.

You must admit building Gazans there own Dubai to would solve many problems and improve their lifes. I even added in truama therapy and education. That is more than most people have suggested to end things. If you elevate the citizens enough people don't want to lose it. They would overthrow any extremists themselves. Basic psychology that, I have a degree and everything you can't argue with my analysis (Joking because you will but not Joking about my psychology skills)

Several reports only refer to civilian hostages - not all the hostages.

When hear I am

Actually was there more to that post or was it "I blame the parents" as in the age old jokey phrase? Genuinely I don't know whether poster is being a bit to basic and a little one sided with their analysis or it was a joke to lighten the mood. Do know?

@OhHelloTheres
No I will not, this last attack has fully changed any sort of giving the benefit of the doubt to Israel

The israeli government are murdering lying scum
And the world can finally see them for who they are

@OhHelloTheres I saw the deleted tweet of the Israeli minister who initially said it was Israel

We weren't discussing whether life was better under the Ottomans than under someone else and we weren't talking about Turkey.

And don’t forget according to the UN Hamas has a habit of hiding its arms in schools and hospitals (such is the habit of jihadist terrorists). Maybe some went off. Maybe Hamas set off a bomb on purpose (let’s face it they give zero fucks about life), maybe it was accidental?