If you are anti-Zionist, what do you think Israel should do?

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Should Israel open its borders? Be given back to the Palestinian people? Where should the Jewish people go? What about the high risk of genocide?

Interested to hear as many people over the last few days have said they are anti-Zionist and that it's different to antisemitism.

That would actually work out well for all. I reckon they would need a million employees to run it and manageit. They could build a few very good schools plus truma therapy centres for the kids somewhere in there. Bob's your uncle probably solved. Whoever posted that is a genius. I mean it solves the Palestinian unemployment, utilities and educational radicalisation problem all at the same time. This wilift them out of poverty and into a Dubai style life.

( Sorry for my humour on this)

@DavidSnow007

"I blame the parents for deaths of Gazan children."

With views like this I sincerely hope you are not part of any sort of humanitarian group. Truly evil lives amongst us

@Trulywonderful ahh, its funny is it?
Well I'm glad I posted it. So all you haters can really expose your true selves

I know you're taking the piss but there is actually some truth to that. Build a Dubai in the area and everyone get's to live their best lives. All that needs to happen is for people to stop hating Jews.

Are you actually serious?

'A dhimmi refers to a non-Muslim subject of the Ottoman Empire. Derived from Islamic legal conceptions of membership to society, non-Muslims ‘dhimmis’ were afforded protection by the state and did not serve in the military, in return for specific taxes. The dhimmi status was legally abolished in 1839 with the Hatt-ı Şerif of Gülhane and was formalized with the 1869 Ottoman Law of Nationality as part of wider Tanzimat Reforms. Regardless of these official changes, in various places within the Empire non-Muslim subjects faced various forms of institutional discrimination.'

Dhimmi | Religion and Public Life at Harvard Divinity School

'The 1934 Thrace pogroms (Turkish: Trakya Olayları, "Thrace incidents" or "Thrace events", Ladino: Furtuna/La Furtuna, "Storm")[1][2] refers to a series of violent attacks against Jewish citizens of Turkey in June and July 1934 in the Thrace region of Turkey'

1934 Thrace pogroms - Wikipedia

'The Varlık Vergisi (Turkish: [vɑɾˈɫɯk ˈvæɾɟisi], "wealth tax" or "capital tax") was a tax mostly levied on non-Muslim citizens in Turkey in 1942, with the stated aim of raising funds for the country's defense in case of an eventual entry into World War II. The underlying reason for the tax was to inflict financial ruin on the minority non-Muslim citizens of the country,[1] end their prominence in the country's economy[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] and transfer the assets of non-Muslims to the Muslim bourgeoisie.[11] It was a discriminatory measure which taxed non-Muslims up to ten times more heavily and resulted in a significant amount of wealth and property being transferred to Muslims.[12]'

Varlık Vergisi - Wikipedia

1. I'm very serious. Ottomans in Turkey didn't inflict discrimination to Jews. In Arabic lands when Arabs attacked Jews they protected them. You are very much confusing what is an ottoman and their subjects I.e Arabs.

2. I already acknowledged varlik vergisi. I have no idea what's dimni. Repeating that we don't speak Arabic. But that's the extent of your accusations. You can't equate the large scale atrocities done to Jews with the tax policy. Wrong, but scale is entirely different and yeah, 1900s. We already said sorry for this and there have been many movies etc.

I understand you're in a highly sensitive state right now and feel very sorry for the things you are going through. However accusing your actual friends isn't really the right thing to do here. Speaking to my many friends and people actually in my family, not all Jewish people think like you do. Love and light to them in this difficult time.

I'm not Jewish. This is one of the most bizarre posts I've seen on here and that's saying something. This kind of insane denial and refusal to take responsibility is why the Jews needed a state where people like you would have no power over them.

How does a load of cut and paste from wiki help anyone at this point?

It would be good to see more useful and helpful posts. I’m not interested in century old history, and to most people right now, it’s not a priority.

An absolute horrendous situation is unfolding.

I never said Jews didn't need a state?! Yes they do. What are you talking about?

I thought you all wanted to understand the cause of this long standing problem? Suddenly uninterested? Wanting a 1948 cut-off point by any chance? I don't care what you're interested in. I'm interested in understanding the cause of all of it and I know lots of other people are too.

You do realise that the “centuries old history” has given rise to the current situation, unless you understand that history you can’t understand the current situation. I despair sometimes!

None of them want to understand. They only want to hear about nasty Israel to make them secure in their echo chamber of propaganda.

As soon as something challenges that there’s meltdown.

The situation is appalling for everyone, but the only way to even start to unravel it all is to understand the history which has got us here, and that goes back at least 3000 years. But that’s not convenient to a lot of people who want sound bites and mantras. At this point many might as well be chanting 4 legs good 2 legs bad.

I had only come to offer support from the Turkish community in the first place and then faced this weird backlash, that's extremely offensive implying Arabs and Turks are the same and accusations about things we hadn't done. Mostly by irrelevant bs copy pastes. Won't be engaging anymore.

My own, personal, opinion is that Israel shouldn't have bombed anything that isn't exclusively Hamas infrastructure. They should have been quicker with evacuating the areas they need evacuating but also given them more time to do so. So eg on day one say "you have four days to evacuate" or something along those lines, so Israeli soldiers can go in and destroy all remaining Hamas tunnels and infrastructure etc and bring back the 199 hostages. Then retreat fully. I feel like this would have minimised civilian casualties while also hopefully fulfilling its purpose.

However, I assume there was a reason they didn't go about it this way

It won’t necessarily be a good reason though. For example, say their plans is to bomb the hell out of Gaza in the hope everyone flees through the Rafah crossing to Egypt. That done, don’t let them back in and Egypt can deal with it. Ethnic cleansing in other words.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the people in Gaza can’t leave - they are literally locked in and people are lobbing bombs at them

None of them want to understand. They only want to hear about nasty Israel to make them secure in their echo chamber of propaganda

Projecting a bit there

@Reallifelurker have you just seen the latest attack on the hospital??
It is beyond horrific
I won't be coming back to this thread as I honestly can't stomach people on here condoning Israels horrorshow
Also people laughing and making light of a genocide
I pray everyone and their families stay safe x

I understand the reason is is that Hamas weaves itself through society, schools and hospitals are used to hide arms (quoting the UN). In the words of several military sources Hamas are not a typical opposition army.

Israel has asked everyone to flee - Egypt has not opened the borders. The idea being once as many civilians were put the way as possible they would then destroy Hamas’s hidden network and stores.

At the same time hezbollah are attacking Israel from the north. It’s becoming increasingly clear that Iran are behind this attack in an effort to divide Israeli military resources.

israel are actively protecting themselves for people who want to create a purely Islamic state from the river to the sea.

in the meantime innocent people from all sides are killed and injured.

Would this be happening if Hamas hadn’t raided Israel burning kids alive, decapitating babies, raping and murdering? Would Israel have had to be so hard lag in defending its borders if groups weren’t advocating for jihad to get rid of them?

if you’re looking to apportion Blame you could do worse than start with Iran. They don’t care about kids dying on either side.

@Reallifelurker
But that might also not be what's happening. I honestly don't think that is where it's heading. But just like you, I'm just guessing.

Israel doesn't want Gaza. They just want people from Gaza to stop murdering Israelis.

Ah yes, the history of oppression. Definitely a thing. However pot kettle black much? I mean, the Crown definitely has a stellar record when it comes to equal treatment of all people cough colonisation genocide oppression subjugation white supremacist flag-waving power hungry land thieves with God on their side (naturally) cough a lot of that is recent history. Ottoman Empire, British Empire, potato potahto.

@Parkingt111
I think we need to wait and see who actually attacked the hospital. It hasn't been verified it was an attack by Israel, just like the convoy the other day hasn't.

Something along the lines of 20% of Hamas' rockets fall short and therefore hit their own land. So let's just wait and see.

If it is verified it was done by Israel, I condone the attack. It should not have happened. And no matter who did it, I truly feel for the victims and their families.

You can call Hamas a terrorist group and hate them all you like. The reality is that they live in absolute poverty and have been controlled by Israel all their lives. They have had FAR more casualties. Even pro Israel people should pity them immensely. They literally have nothing else to live for and it’s an ongoing ethnic cleansing.

Israel are not ‘good’ just because they are the only Jewish country.

@OhHelloTheres thank you
It's just horrific. I have no words.
I just saw on sky that hamas have said they will release all hostages in the next hour if Israel stops the bombing
I don't believe it was hamas. As if it was they would not be willing to surrender their hostages. It seems like a plea to stop

Would this be happening if Hamas hadn’t raided Israel burning kids alive, decapitating babies, raping and murdering? Would Israel have had to be so hard lag in defending its borders if groups weren’t advocating for jihad to get rid of them

No, those things sound horrific and I really hope the reports of immolated and decapitated children aren’t true.

I think the desire to get rid is mutual though. I’m sorry but it would the Palestinian's be inviting in Jihadists if they hadn’t been so throughly screwed over.

if you’re looking to apportion Blame you could do worse than start with Iran. They don’t care about kids dying on either side

If heard it said that Iran is involved in some ways with all the jihadist types and are very anti-Israel indeed. Don’t know much about it though.