If you are anti-Zionist, what do you think Israel should do?

[Poudretteite]

Should Israel open its borders? Be given back to the Palestinian people? Where should the Jewish people go? What about the high risk of genocide?

Interested to hear as many people over the last few days have said they are anti-Zionist and that it's different to antisemitism.

In an ideal world the land would be split in half, with one half Israel and the other Palestine, both governing themselves as sovereign states.

But even if that happened, both sides will think they have a right to the other half. There would need to be a genuine wish for peace on both sides and a willingness to compromise. I don't think that is likely to happen in our lifetime.

Unfortunately that proposal was rejected by Palestinians (the Peel Commission and then the UN Partition plan) who then started a war over the latter.

Isreal should stop building settlements and start supporting moderate Palestinians to govern well.

How do they “support Palestinians” to govern better? Hamas dig up water pipes to make rockets

Yes but wasn't that because over 60% of the land in the UN Partition plan was going to Israel while the population of Palestinians was double that of Israelis?

Neither side has ever trusted the other and they are/were both right as neither side could/can be trusted. They are both only interested in their own agendas and how they are the rightful owners of the land and they are the victims and the other side are 100% the baddies. I can't imagine the propaganda and hatred that the kids living on both sides grow up with. No doubt both are only ever told the convenient half of the story.

I think quite a few people that use the term mean it in the sense they oppose expansionism, rather than what it really means.

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 leaving infrastructure including a power station. The Palestinians elected Hamas who have used aid to stockpile weapons, destroyed the power station and used water pipes supplied by the EU to make rockets to attack Israel. Gaza is subsequently dependent on Israel for water and power which has been provided free of charge, and somehow it’s still the fault of the Israelis. And Hamas are such a liability that Egypt closed their border with Gaza.

Hamas’s stated objective is to wipe Israel off the map.

The two plans were near opposites, Palestinians rejected both. The population of Jewish people was artificially low due to Arab Revolt and British banning Jews returning and imprisoning them or returning them to Nazi Germany to be murdered.

People who claim to be experts should learn to spell Israel. I don’t usually correct people’s spelling online, but honestly, the number of authoritative people shouting about this when they can’t even spell the most prominent words, I’m sick of it.

The map is self explanatory. The idea that Israel is unreasonable having the land it does is preposterous. Yes, the way they have taken land has been unreasonable and I do not support the civilian death toll in Gaza at present, but the idea that tiny Israel should be divided up because there is nowhere for Palestinians to go is ridiculous.

Yeh, it"s a mess. I used to think that a group of experts from both sides "just" needed to get together to formulate a list of outcomes for civilians to accept or reject, but in the last week I see how pointless that is. Hamas don't want a solution, they want destruction and death.
What would AI suggest??

There's only really two options:

1. Go for the two state solution which was abandoned and work to get rid of the illegal settlements.
2. Go for a one state solution and enact laws to enshrine and protect the rights of the Palestinian people, possibly including a form of devolution with a half way point between 2 and 1 state solution. This requires shifting Israel from a Jewish state to a secular one with Jewish majority that protects the minority. Challenging given their beliefs in some divine right for it to be Jews only.

As part of this, by all means call out the meddling by foreign governments, but work hard to split the extremist Palestinians away from the more moderate ones. Also, if they see a role for the countries bordering Israel with either, then name those demands and why they feel they are important.

It's not easy, and not quick, but good leadership isn't about those things. It's about taking on hard choices and working on them. There was, and continues to be difficulties in Northern Ireland and other places. Resisting the urge to respond to violence with violence isn't weak, it takes courage. The Ancient Greek Oresteia trilogy is all about breaking the cycle of violence and revenge. Even a highly militarised society like theirs understood that. Israel as it stands now is in much the same position as those plays illustrate.

Israel must stop claiming to be a Jewish State, Palestine must stop claiming to be Muslim state, and the whole of Israel and Palestine must be divided up into Federal States with a Muslim / Jewish / Christian coalition central government. Jerusalem needs to be UN territory. Forced conscription must stop. This is the ONLY way.

But the Palestinians are also from and born on that same land. Are you saying that because there are lots of other Arab / Muslim countries , that they should just go to one of those?

many people over the last few days have said they are anti-Zionist and that it's different to antisemitism.

Are you arguing that in order to not be antisemitic, you’d have to be pro-Zionism? Just so I’m clear on the terms here.

In 1938 the British proposed that the Jews get just 500 square miles. The Arabs still refused to allow it.

This is completely incoherent.

But it’s not “ridiculous” for Palestinians to be forced out? What are you actually saying here?

What they should do right now that is really difficult to answer but the answer is not the murder innocent children, women and men

Why should people subjugated as dhimmis for centuries following the Islamic conquest have to continue to live under the majority Muslim rule of this central government? It's not as if there was or is any great remorse for that oppression and persecution.

It’s generally wise to not correct people’s spelling online given that you don’t know whether the poster “can’t spell” (and, if they can’t spell, why that is, because it’s not always due to a lack of intelligence or knowledge, believe it or not) or whether it’s a typo or autocorrect error. But you obviously know that, considering that you don’t normally do it.

Well that’s a good question.

Unfortunately decades of land grabs and general mistreatment have resulted in a significant number of Palestinians who are radicalised terrorists. It’s a mindset that will just be entrenched further by blitzing like the one going on currently.

Israel is probably going to be plagued by terrorism indefinitely.

I dont think any Isrealis should leave the Levant. But a 2 state solution is needed, perhaps with UN observers. Hamas 's atrocity shouldnt blind us to the fact there there are millions of positive arab-israeli interactions daily... Or at leasted there used to be.
There are too many crazies in the Isreali government who think its their devine destiny to expell all the Palestinians, and create a racist apatheid state. The middle ground have to face them down.
As to genocide, do you mean genocide of the Palestinians?