Sister on holiday with Covid

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Spoke to sister this morning. She and her young child have tested positive for Covid after having a cough for a couple days. They are on a cruise due to disembark tomorrow.
I've told her she should tell the medical team onboard and isolate in cabin. She says I'm being ridiculous, that it's the last day so she will stay onboard on the pool deck in the fresh air. She lap says there's loads of people coughing.

I'm angry at her - she's got a flight back tomorrow - she says she will wear a mask but will enjoy the last day of the holiday.
She only tested as she had an lft in her case which I told her to pack.

Aibu for being annoyed at her?

The poster said it is like a cold, not that it was one.
The statement was correct.

And as I've said ad infinitum, COVID leads to more conditions, so we are just making things worse for the NHS. COVID is not like flu or other illnesses - it's far far more contagious, and active all year round, so failing to control it means the hospital system never has time to recover.

You talk as if you are the only one to realise this @AussieManque

Do you think the powers that be

A. Are aware and are actively ignoring this. Patrick Vallance et al. ?

B. Unlike you, just haven't realised.

The policy of not testing, and living through Covid is a national policy after all. And the should and should nots debated on here, are only a matter of opinion from individuals who don't make policy.

Whatever anyone says on here DS is only following accepted national policies whilst OP is taking a sort of 'home made' stance.

And we could be having this discussion about , say, flu. Which can be very debilitating.

If she thought she had flu, would you say isolate, inform ship , etc etc.
Granted I don't think you should be out at work or breathing flu onto vulnerable people.
Which most people wouldn't.

That's why I said it is like a cold. I didn't state that it was one

Also, although Covid isn't classed as a rhinovirus, not all common colds are from the rhinovirus group. A few are from the coronavirus group. Covid 19 is also from the coronavirus group. Covid 19 is still not a cold, but it can be like some of them and there are some similarities. Doesn't mean that they are the same thing at all.

You can feel as "strong" as you like about it. You cannot go around requiring that other people feel a particular way, or stick to your own self-declared roolz about isolating and testing etc etc etc.

@sunglassesonthetable if you are following the covid inquiry, you'll see that unfortunately while people like Patrick Vallance are very aware, the government doesn't necessarily follow his advice.

Just because it's national policy it doesn't mean it's correct. And as a tax payer and voter, I will push back against unscientifically sound government policy, because spreading infection is a waste of my tax funds and a danger to my health and that of my family. Far more effective to invest in HEPA filters, proper FFP2 for NHS staff and awareness raising about airborne infection (handwashing is no use against covid!), and testing and isolation, than to advise healthcare staff to go to work sick to infect patients (the conversation I was in moved on beyond the OP's sister).

Just because it's national policy it doesn't mean it's correct. And as a tax payer and voter, I will push back against unscientifically sound government policy, because spreading infection is a waste of my tax funds and a danger to my health and that of my family. Far more effective to invest in HEPA filters, proper FFP2 for NHS staff and awareness raising about airborne infection (handwashing is no use against covid!), and testing and isolation, than to advise healthcare staff to go to work sick to infect patients (the conversation I was in moved on beyond the OP's sister).

OK You have your push back etc. And we all pay taxes. And this gov is an absolute shower agreed.

But in relation to the OP it's really unfair to expect people to go against the national policy over and above normal sickness protocol.

@AussieManque

YABU.

@sunglassesonthetable all my posts to Panaa are about testing policy in hospitals.

Though for the lady on the cruise, if she knows she is infected (or sick with anything) she should do her best to minimise spread.

From a Consultant Respiratory Physician and Professor of Respiratory Science at the University of Cambridge:

twitter.com/prof_marciniak/status/1713505984977519014?s=46&t=lVt-WH-GcsPlMCKrCR4ukg

This. Why is she even testing.

I can see why you're annoyed, but the fact is no-one is even expected to test. The new rule is basically live with it...

There aren’t any rules anymore. You’ve obviously been brainwashed it’s literally like a normal bug that’s going to be around forever now. You can’t stop your life and lock yourself in a cabin 🙄

I wonder how much actual information from scientific sources the ‘it’s just a cold’ team have read with their own eyes/thought through with their own brains? Or do you primarily rely on the tabloids or bloke in the pub for your steer on this - either because it suits your needs or aligns with your political beliefs? Be honest with yourself.

You do realise that we all experienced the pandemic yes?
And that most if not all of us caught it?

We're not discussing some obscure thing we never experienced 😂

Tbh I think not picking them up is fair enough but like I don't think you can demand they take a test the demand they waste the last day of their holiday. I fully would have told you to jog on 😂 sorry.

I've had Covid twice. It was just a cold FOR ME. I'm not saying that's the case for everyone but it's how I'd describe my experience of it.

There’s a certain kind of person who really thrived off the self-righteous drama in 2020 and 2021 and can’t quite move on.

15 weeks later I’m still struggling with brain fog and crippling fatigue after my ‘mild cold’

You're admitting your generalisation is pointless then. Why not keep it to yourself, since it applies TO YOU.

Or.. still shocked and upset at how little so many of my fellow humans care about one another if it involves anything more than the performance of care.

For me, Covid is not really the issue. The real issue is what those of us who are pro-social saw as a result of Covid. We'd assumed that most others were like us, but we were wrong, and we're still reeling.

And yet you are still incapable of understanding that your own experience was not universal, and that you have a moral obligation to take account of that.

How have you reached that conclusion?
I am aware that my experience was not universal. You're trying to make out some of us know nothing though and just read tabloids. If we got our info from tabloids then we'd all be living in fear because the tabloids made it sound 1000 times worse than many of our lived experiences.

It's nothing to do with morals, because trying to prevent one illness can have knock on effects elsewhere, including serious illness and deaths.

Being on the side where you think people should do everything possible to stop the spread doesn't make you morally superior, doesn't make you right and could in fact can even lead to more suffering and death!!

When you're on a cruise, there are rules regarding contagious illnesses, and some of those involve isolating yourself in your stateroom.

It applies to many other people as well. Actually, to the majority of people, since the majority have it mildly or asymptomatically. I don't see the issue with describing it as a cold when discussing our own experiences of it.