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Sister on holiday with Covid

332 replies

CarlosSainzAKASmoothOperator · 13/10/2023 14:08

Spoke to sister this morning. She and her young child have tested positive for Covid after having a cough for a couple days. They are on a cruise due to disembark tomorrow.
I've told her she should tell the medical team onboard and isolate in cabin. She says I'm being ridiculous, that it's the last day so she will stay onboard on the pool deck in the fresh air. She lap says there's loads of people coughing.

I'm angry at her - she's got a flight back tomorrow - she says she will wear a mask but will enjoy the last day of the holiday.
She only tested as she had an lft in her case which I told her to pack.

Aibu for being annoyed at her?

OP posts:
Oblomov23 · 13/10/2023 18:52

No. There's no guidance to isolate atm.

BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101 · 13/10/2023 18:59

YABVU and hysterical. Leave your sister alone, "made her test" Jesus wept. No one has to test and there is no requirement to isolate.
This has to be a wind up 😂

saltinesandcoffeecups · 13/10/2023 19:00

WinterDeWinter · 13/10/2023 16:18

I'm not talking about vulnerable people - that's a different issue (to you, anyway).

The people impacted by long covid, with irreversible damage in many cases, are people just like you. Non-vulnerable people.

We don't yet understand why or even the full extent of how, but it's clear that there is a post-viral syndrome which is doing terrible damage. It's quite possible that, like some other post-viral syndromes, the full damage won't be clear for years when the virus has a kind of sudden second life. Google Covid and Parkinsons for eg.

You should read more.

You seem nice.

Vulnerable or not my position doesn’t change. I don’t care about someone hypothetical person in the world more than me. I don’t expect some hypothetical person in the world to care about me more than themselves.

Beezknees · 13/10/2023 19:02

YABU.

Anyone who is still seriously worried about Covid would not be on a cruise in the first place.

Beezknees · 13/10/2023 19:04

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I earn £22k a year and think OP is unreasonable.

MariaVT65 · 13/10/2023 19:14

I would say YABU as there are not any isolation guidelines currently.

I had covid last week (only tested as i’m pregnant) and while I did postpone plans with my friend and her newborn, I didn’t isolate.

I think a big consideration is that many of us were going through things in lockdown, but we didn’t matter. Only covid mattered. So most of us will now put ourselves first rather than consider total strangers.

MariaLuna · 13/10/2023 19:29

Things spread like wildfire in a cruise (which is why I wouldn’t go on one), I think it’s a bit late isolating now as most people that are going to catch it probably already have.I caught it at a festival a few months ago, it’s kind of expected when your near lots of people.

So you won't go on a cruise but yes to a festival......hmmm.

I know two people who died from it (one a family member, one a good friend) but I refuse to live my life in fear...

So I do the cruise and the festival! 🙂

Nopenopenopenopenopenope · 13/10/2023 19:44

Seems a bit pointless that she tested but doesn't intend to do anything about it.

If I were her I would isolate. I don't give a shit what anyone says, I'm not knowingly giving it to anyone and would be upset to know if someone didn't do what they could to stop it spreading. I've permanently lost my sense of smell from it and still have symptoms on and off after 10 months, which might sound trivial but it's fucking miserable.

brentwoods · 13/10/2023 19:52

CarlosSainzAKASmoothOperator · 13/10/2023 14:20

She wasn't going to test - but I got her on WhatsApp video call and made her and her child. I'm meant to be picking them up from the airport tomorrow but I have told her she will need to make alternative plans to get home.

You sound like a horrible sister. This can't be real.

Fairospop22 · 13/10/2023 19:54

mind your own business. No need to test, self isolate or even wear masks.

Letitgonowgr · 13/10/2023 19:57

You’re being ridiculous!
She has already got it so probably spread or caught it on the cruise. You made her test, she didn’t want to!
You expect her to stay in her cabin then what? Stay there until negative?!

Covid is here to stay and has probably been around for years! We have to get on with life.

WinterDeWinter · 13/10/2023 20:08

saltinesandcoffeecups · 13/10/2023 19:00

You seem nice.

Vulnerable or not my position doesn’t change. I don’t care about someone hypothetical person in the world more than me. I don’t expect some hypothetical person in the world to care about me more than themselves.

You speak as though there were an equivalence - their health vs yours, say - but that’s a pathetic straw man.

in fact, it’s their health vs your holiday, in this case. Part of your holiday even. think most people with values would recoil at that.

Gingerbee · 13/10/2023 20:17

I think your sister is rather selfish. We caught covid in Europe a couple of weeks ago. We were doing a self drive tour. We took tests with us as my husband is Doctor. We met we did our virology BSc.
Informed hotel who left breakfast outside the room. We contacted the ferry company informed them and changed our bookings. They suggested masking up and sitting on deck and we complied. We were able to goLong journey home. I was feeling rough so didn't drive. Our hotels were happy to cancel our bookings free of charge. Even the one we were staying declined payment. They sealed off our room for the 48 hours we would have been there.
Hubby had never had covid. He became unwell 2 days later. He was really unwell.

People are still dying of covid.
She should inform the medical and cleaning staff. Just think how many older or more vulnerable people chose to go on holiday in October out of season.

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/10/2023 20:27

MoggyP · 13/10/2023 14:15

YANBU

She can't leave the ship, but she should not be leaving her cabin (if she were in UK then it's stay home for 5 days unless absolutely essential)

And of course the ship's medical team need to know about a communicable disease on board, whether it's covid, D&V, impetigo, chicken pox or whatever.
Honestly, I wonder sometimes if covid is doing something to people's cognitive function, as basic common sense seems to have vanished

This

How selfish and inconsiderate.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 13/10/2023 20:29

Gymmum82 · 13/10/2023 14:09

Yabu. Covid is everywhere. There are no rules to isolate anymore and barely anyone is testing.
It’s a mild cold now. We live with it

I still can’t stand upright 3 months after catching Covid.

I can’t imagine anything less like a cold. And the 2 times l’ve had it I’ve been throwing up with no cold symptoms.

So no, it’s not like a cold.

excelledyourself · 13/10/2023 20:37

She and her young child have tested positive for Covid after having a cough for a couple days.

She wasn't going to test - but I got her on WhatsApp video call and made her and her child.

My brothers would quite rightly tell me to take a run and jump to myself if I tried to "make" them test my young nieces and nephews.

CherryMaDeara · 13/10/2023 20:41

CarlosSainzAKASmoothOperator · 13/10/2023 14:20

She wasn't going to test - but I got her on WhatsApp video call and made her and her child. I'm meant to be picking them up from the airport tomorrow but I have told her she will need to make alternative plans to get home.

You MADE her test? Bet you were in your element circa April 2020 and you miss those days 🙄

saltinesandcoffeecups · 13/10/2023 21:12

WinterDeWinter · 13/10/2023 20:08

You speak as though there were an equivalence - their health vs yours, say - but that’s a pathetic straw man.

in fact, it’s their health vs your holiday, in this case. Part of your holiday even. think most people with values would recoil at that.

You’re continuing to miss my point. I would not forego a holiday, my pay, my education for some hypothetical stranger who has agency to live at their preferred risk level.

You keep asking who would be that person and I’ve been telling you it’s
🙋‍♀️me

ETA… And I’m still resentful all of those things were forced on me in 2020

WinterDeWinter · 13/10/2023 21:21

saltinesandcoffeecups · 13/10/2023 21:12

You’re continuing to miss my point. I would not forego a holiday, my pay, my education for some hypothetical stranger who has agency to live at their preferred risk level.

You keep asking who would be that person and I’ve been telling you it’s
🙋‍♀️me

ETA… And I’m still resentful all of those things were forced on me in 2020

Edited

That’s sad. Luckily, if you ever need anyone to put their pleasure to one side in order to help you, there will be those that will.

the kind of world we’d end up with if we all thought like you would be a pretty shit one.

LaBohemia · 13/10/2023 21:25

CarlosSainzAKASmoothOperator · 13/10/2023 14:22

Yes I absolutely did.
I told her if she wanted a lift home from the airport then she wasn't getting in my car if she was positive. I have myself and my family to protect too!

Fair enough about the lift. I am CEV and wouldn't want to spend time around someone if I knew they had covid.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 13/10/2023 22:24

WinterDeWinter · 13/10/2023 21:21

That’s sad. Luckily, if you ever need anyone to put their pleasure to one side in order to help you, there will be those that will.

the kind of world we’d end up with if we all thought like you would be a pretty shit one.

Hate to break it you you but outside of the #bekind brigade and those that miss the good ‘ole days of masking, grassing your neighbors, and washing groceries the vast majority think like me.

How many masks do you see on a daily basis? That will tell you the real story. Those were dropped like a hot potato by most as soon as mandates lifted.

But you are right if I need help I hope someone does. But I wouldn’t expect that help to negatively affect them. And if I can help someone without negatively affecting me, I’ll do so.

Autumnleaves89 · 13/10/2023 22:26

YABU and ridiculous.

jamimmi · 13/10/2023 22:28

OP are you aware NHS staff are no longer testing. In fact we are being told NOT to test. With only a couple.of very small exeptions..... if we aren't testing in hospitals why should she test on a cruise

Princessandthepea0 · 13/10/2023 22:28

You ar e being ridiculous. I’ve just had Covid and it went to work. That is what is expected now. I also had an event booked and went.

AussieManque · 14/10/2023 01:35

@Panaa @Beginningless it is a multi organ disease. You just won't find out till further down the line. Like with heart attacks and stroke, your risk is elevated for 18 months (at least) after any COVID infection, however mild it was. https://www.bhf.org.uk/for-professionals/information-for-researchers/covid-19-and-cardiovascular-health

Or developing type 2 diabètes, or an auto immune disease. COVID elevates the chances of developing these, but you won't develop these during your infection but in the following months.

We've just discovered that Epstein Barr virus is linked to develop MS further down the line. What other similar links will we discover about COVID in 10 years?

Avoid COVID.

Covid-19 and cardiovascular health

After the rapid development of a Framework in response to the Covid-19 pandemic, research leaders have selected six National Flagship Projects.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/for-professionals/information-for-researchers/covid-19-and-cardiovascular-health