To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

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Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

The land may only recently be called Israel, but the Jewish people arrived there thousands of years ago,long before todays Palestinians.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44124396

For those saying they don’t understand the history. Here is an easy to read summary.

Of the Gazan war

Clearly you’re a supporter of genocide then.

I have to challenge this back and forth over whether or not babies were beheaded. It is enough to know that Hamas entered family houses, looked into the fearful whites of the eyes of babies, children and their parents and still chose to riddle them with bullets and set fire to them. This is more than enough knowledge to give you an insight into their psychology.

Now. I also stand against what Israel is about to do to thousands of innocents in Gaza. And we know from history that in war time, it doesn't take much of a leap for seemingly normal people to behave in the most equally hideous ways where revenge is concerned. Just because at present the Israelis cannot see directly the fear in the eyes of those they are firing rockets at, does not make it less hideous. And soon their 'boots on the ground' will do the same to Palestinians as Hamas did to Israelis.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. The Palestinian people have nowhere to seek shelter and safety. It is a nightmare beyond imagination.
My heart cries for the region and its people; Israeli and Palestinian.
There will never be peace.
Amos Oz once said that this was not a dispute about religion or culture but one about real estate. Both people feel so deeply entrenched in and connected to the land, understandably. And so, by extension, it becomes about religion and culture, in my view.
I highly recommend his book How to Cure a Fanatic.

You don’t see the difference between countries going to war and between a government using military might against civilians who don’t have a government, or military, to protect them?

And yet, you would say that a terrorist organisation wanting to wipe out a country’s population is genocide. Can’t you see the irony in this?

What a disgusting post @zyymom

I do agree that it’s enough - so why do they spread more and more heinous lies? It’s to further the campaign of genocide.

It is horrific and it leaves the UK, the US, and the EU with blood on their hands. It also makes an absolute mockery of the UN, NATO, and the Geneva Convention. They have no moral authority to criticise any other countries moving forward.
But the UK Government has always been circumspect when watching genocides rather than intervening. They did the exact same in Rwanda and in Darfur. They always prioritise politics, finances and resources - not the lives of civilians.

Disgusting

Reported

Hate speech from zyymom

@Feraldogmum

Being appalled by the current actions and threats of Likud and the IDF does not make someone either an anti-Semite or a terrorist sympathiser. Those are pretty offensive terms to start throwing around, and in no way justified in this context.

Deserves an instant ban.

A 2015 UN report found that ‘roof knocks’ were completely inadequate at warning people their home was about to be bombed.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/22/u-n-israeli-roof-knocks-did-not-provide-effective-warning-to-gaza-civilians/

If cutting off water and electricity so that innocent civilians (half of whom are children) so they starve isn’t genocide, I don’t know what is. Hospitals won’t be able to keep babies in incubators and people on life support alive. Israel signed an international agreement that they would provide Gaza with power and water.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

BOTh sides are committing horrendous acts and crimes against humanity.

Rightly or wrongly I feel that the Israeli government have waged a sort of PR war with "beheaded babies" to justify the Palestinian children they have dropped bombs on, blockaded and deprived of food power and water etc.

The news reports were full of "Israeli soldiers told us" and I still don't know that I understand the facts.

In my mind, nobody who does what the Israeli government are doing to innocent children can claim any moral high ground.

They can't be the "good guys" because "good guys" don't do that to children.

Israel has warned Gazans to leave, Hamas has ordered civilians to stay. What more evidence do you need of the savagery of people who will use their own citizens,including children as human shields ? Meanwhile having endured brutalisation, the Israelis still try to preserve the lives of those who want to annihilate them.
The support I'm hearing for Palestine is a little like saying we should have let the Nazis get on with it, and it's clear that many would have been happy for Hitler to destroythe Jews, but what happens when the enemy turns on you? We all condemned the July7 bombings, my brother was on one of those trains, but it's somehow OK as long as the same victims are Jews ?How long before this happens here , will it be OK for our babies to be murdered, will we be chastised if we retaliate or consider it essential for our survival?

This is correct. Human Rights Watch also correctly identified them as 155mm WP airburst shells used for smoke screen purposes and not to be confused with WP used an incendiary weapon. The use of WP as a smokescreen is a legitimate military use and the use of WP as an incendiary weapon is not.

Compare the images below of artillery airburst WP for smoke screen and WP dropped by an aircraft as an incendiary weapon (in Vietnam)

Bombing Gaza isn't Genocide either.

Well, it's pretty shit, is what it is. We don't have to label it or split hairs over it.
It is an incomprehensible tragedy, whatever you want to class it as.
People will die. Babies will die. Israeli and Palestinian. And it's shit. Nobody deserves this.

"Palestinians are stateless and don't even have passports."

The Palestinian Authority issues passports.

About a dozen countries accept Palestinian passport holders without a visa.

If Israel did want to commit genocide they could wipe out Gaza in hours. They have the advanced weaponry. They could have flattened the whole area and killed everyone living there. They could have killed hundreds of thousands of people in a few coordinated strikes. But they don’t do that. They drop leaflets telling civilians to evacuate. They announce on tv the area they’re going to target.

There’s absolutely no doubt that Israeli bombs have killed civilians, including children. There’s also no doubt that Israel is not actively targeting civilians.

@TeacupKitty

I think our posts crossed -

Your question “if they have state of the art targeted weapons why do they need to destroy entire buildings full of families?”

Lyce Ducet on the BBC reports the Israeli government’s aim is to destroy the network of tunnels under Gazan residential properties that Hamas use and to destroy Hamas resources. She noted to the tunnels have been built under the buildings that residents live in and use and therefore require evacuation.

Your points
“What is fair warning when there’s nowhere to go?”

”all the exit points are closed”.

She also noted there are routes out but there are difficulties of evacuating densely populated Gaza within 24 hours given the state of Gazan roads and what was the existing infrastructure.

@zyymom not necessarily. My father's parents lived in Berlin. How they would have loved to go back there I imagine. They couldn't, they didn't survive the camp. My father just about emotionally survived coming to the UK on kinder transport, via an aunt in Hamburg, and seeing his family for the last time when he was nine years old.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The Jews, persecuted for thousands of years deserve a place to call their own, where they are safe. A place indeed that is close to their origins.

I wonder what Jesus would think of you?