To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

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Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

@Pollyputhekettleon thats my language getting things mixed up not his.

Quite a few Israelis seem not so happy with the current violent, right-wing, racist government. Journalist Israel Frey for example.

Maybe. Unlikely any academic would confuse the annexation of 1967 with the post-Hamas election blockade of 2007 though.

@Pollyputhekettleon would you like me to give you his email so you can ask him. Hes a senior academic at the institution I work at.

Not really sure what point you are trying to mark bar discredit what I am saying.

Which two events? The annexation and the 2005 withdrawal? I can't see how the Israeli withdrawal would have been particularly traumatizing. They must have been delighted about that after 40 years. Yet there was a 44% vote for Hamas just the following year.

I can't see how the Israeli withdrawal would have been particularly traumatizing

Unlikely any academic would confuse the annexation of 1967 with the post-Hamas election blockade of 2007 though

You seem to very certain about a lot of things that Palestinians and Israeli’s might or might not think of feel @Pollyputhekettleon

They were traumatized about Israel withdrawing in 2005? Why?

I never mentioned the Israeli withdrawal. Nobody did. I mentioned the blockade of Gaza from 2007 til the present day when Israel blocked people and goods from going into and out of Gaza.

Huge concrete bollards blocking the Rafah border crossing have been removed

Work has started on fixing the bombed road

I just saw a video of a dying newborn.

And I'm watching Biden on television pledging billions to Israel. Another war criminal.

Still no humanitarian aid is getting through to "hell hole" Gaza, to quote the UN.

They announced on Radio 4 last night that Israel has finally agreed that they “may” let aid through in the coming days, after Biden said that they should, but they’re letting through a very small amount of aid, 20 trucks, which the commissioner-general of UNRWA, Lazzarini, called a “drop in the ocean” compared to what is needed.

For perspective, before the 7th, Gaza was receiving 500 trucks a day.

I can only assume that the Israeli government is letting in a tiny amount so that they can say that they’re letting in aid, and look less genocidal, but this is absolutely not sufficient, which they’re well aware of.

Full article here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67156084.amp

I think you're right. Or they'll say that some of the aid went to Hamas so there'll be no more aid now.

Israel also are not allowing aid to the north.
It can only go to the south.

What a disgrace, I assume this is part of the ongoing discussions and possibly partly why there are delays.

Disgraceful. I guess they don't want any interference with their ethnic cleansing of the northern part which they are clearly planning to steal.

Are we all afraid of Netanyahu? Why is no (or hardly any) Western government calling him out on his many failures and his bloodthirsty narcissistic revenge for those failures?

He is seriously endangering his own people as well as everyone else

Israel is almost never called out. Biden hates Netanyahu because he supported Trump but he's still kissing his ass and giving him billions in support because America has control in the Middle East via Israel. Other countries follow their lead or don't want to go against the US on this one. Democrats and Republicans are the same over there.

It's a real tragedy because their lack of power means that most countries don't give a shit about crimes against humanity or genocide when it happens to the Palestinians.

If Israel is the US’s proxy in the middle east, how’s that going? Not one of their neighbours likes or supports them. Not one. And now this…

Would it be fair to ask those UN truck drivers to drive all the way to N Gaza [20 miles] where fewer people are living now?

Or better to attempt something more modest and likely to succeed?

Khan Younis for example is only 6 miles from the Rafah crossing and is being supplied with fresh clean water ATM and there are around a million people there

My guess is that one bit of land that will be lost will be the area between Khan Younis and the border with Egypt but who knows

There were peace agreements signed with Jordan and Egypt under previois governments but Netanyahu has put paid to all of that. He is absolutely disgusting.

The UN want to supply the whole of Gaza. They are a humanitarian aid with a heart that want to help everyone.
They wouldn’t be driving the aid if they weren’t prepared to ……. Drive in the aid.
Medicine particularly is more needed in the North as, despite the south being bombed too, the North is being bombed worse.

Genuine question @Pollyputhekettleon why do you think that Hamas were not intercepted by the police or IDF for so many hours, and left to massacre those who were likely pro-peace Israelis in a kibbutz and music festival? In some cases taking 26 hours to respond? Despite receiving a warning before Hamas entered?

The Israeli government don’t care about you.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/11/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-attack-timeline.html

I know the UN wants to supply the whole of Gaza

But you have to start somewhere and with a good chance of succeeding - it's only a small portion of aid - at least at this stage

Also the UN will not want to recklessly endanger their staff

@OneHurtSpaggettio I certainly hope the Israeli government don't care about me. That would be a bit random as I'm Irish and not even a little bit Jewish. So why are you asking me such an odd question? Is this related in some way to something else I've said?

You can answer the question without pretending to be bewildered and confused by focusing on the last line. You've had plenty to say about the situation already.

Edited for typo.