To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

[Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73]

Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

Saudi did 9/11 and a few thousand people died. In return more than millions of Iraqis were killed.

colonisers are incredible at gaslighting and denial.

I am speechless. Israel told them to leave…then bombed them.

I’ve been crying so much. I’m so disgusted with humanity.

The UN didn't say this. Your link is to an NGO submission to the UN. It's not endorsed by them so you're being very deceptive.

Also, when I did a quick Google of this group surprise surprise all their submissions are pro Israel/anti Palestinian.

Also there's no context to those photos. They could be Halloween costumes for all we know.

Please stop spreading bullshit to justify the appalling massacre of civilians.

Those photos show what Israel is up against.

Hamas thinks nothing of sacrificing their own children. Their hatred cannot be reasoned with.

They epitomise evil.

I find it interesting that not much is being mentioned about the retaliation against Hamas- which is affecting everyday Palestinians, and the main media focus is still on the original (appalling) event. No real mention of Palestinian deaths.

Why does everything always have to be twisted to make it sound antisemitic?

Israel declared war. So people will refer to 'Israel' as it is state sanctioned war, just like when any other country or state in the world declares war/attacks or retaliates. No one said or implied it was "The Jews"

https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1712918166437806294

Erase their families, their mothers and their children. These animals can no longer live.” Israeli reservist talking about Palestinians

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Well the UN didn’t exist then so I don’t think the modern definition of war crimes existed. You could argue we didn’t have the technology back then to pinpoint legitimate targets so there would be more widespread casualties l

but yes looking back there were horrific acts by both sides, bombing Dresden, bombing the East End.

thankfully we seemed to have moved away from how we acted 80 years ago. Someone earlier mentioned that Hamas was an ISIS like death cult and needed to be removed. Well the USA seemed to manage that with generally targeted attacks and bombing. Down to individual people in individual buildings. Drones following people in cars and then shooting down that one person/car.

israel has the technology to do this surely. They have the 4th largest army, they say they have the best intelligence service in the world, they have the equipment and the drones. 🤷‍♀️

I have also been disgusted OP by reasonable people suddenly admitting to supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide. Hamas are terrorists. The IRA are terrorists. Israel's response would be like the British government laying siege to the whole of the Republic of Ireland following an attack on mainland Britain. You can't punish the entire population.

No update at all on the situation at Al Awda hospital yet - last night MSF were given an extension til 6am today to evacuate before IDF destroy the hospital

No update either on what is happening with the 10s of thousands of Gazans who have moved towards Rafah when they get there - ?will have family/friends to stay with

@Efacsen it’s an absolutely horrific situation and I really hope the international community now step to to prevent this happening any further. The UN have said it’s causing a humanitarian catastrophe. The Israeli government are out of control

A small piece of good news WHO medical supplies for Gaza arrive in Egypt

No clear news on Al Awda hosp deadline to evacuate was extended again by 2 hours

@Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 sorry I didn't respond - yes maybe it will take something off the scale atrocious like bombing a childrens hospital complete with child patients and NGO staff to force a ceasefire. Or maybe just another atrocity to be disputed over decades

There's very little news this morning. Israel cut off Internet and power so no news is getting out.

Your analogy of the UK besieging the Republic of Ireland is absurd and ultimately shows your own ignorance on the situation at the time!

The ROI was opposed to PIRA throughout the Troubles so much so they brought stricter, harsher security laws in against them. These were tougher than the equivalent UK laws. ROI also censored PSF/PIRA in broadcasts BEFORE the UK did.

Irish navy helped disrupt PIRA arms smuggling in their territorial waters too as did the Americans.

What you're is missing is that PIRA and UVF didn't control vast swathes of Northern Ireland.

Hamas controls Gaza.

Because of that reality most Catholics and Protestants didn't support these terrorist groups.

On the other hand, because Hamas controls Gaza most Palestinians support them as polls show.

Immediately, your comparison with Northern Ireland is defeated.

So, the ridiculous comparisons with the UK bombing or besieging the island of Ireland simply doesn't stand.

On top of that, it shows those who make these kind of comparisons ultimately don't understand the reality of the situation in Israel-Palestine too!

Spelling out the reality of it is not the same thing as supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide either.

People are supporting the action to defeat Hamas who use civilians as human shields. Do nothing and Hamas will grow stronger with better weaponry.

In fact, when Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005...this from Reuters:

"For Iran, Hamas has helped it realise a years-long ambition to encircle Israel with legions of paramilitaries, including other Palestinian factions and Lebanon's Hezbollah, according to Western officials. Armed with sophisticated weaponry, all share a longtime enmity to Israel's occupation of Palestinian land."

And:

"After Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, Hamas began importing rockets, explosives and other equipment from Iran, Western intelligence sources have said. They were shipped via Sudan, trucked across Egypt and smuggled into Gaza through a labyrinth of narrow tunnels beneath the Sinai Peninsula, they added."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-hamas-secretly-built-mini-army-fight-israel-2023-10-13/

Hamas rockets used to be pretty crap. In 2023, they can travel 230km or so and more accurately than in the past.

That's the reality.

I just don't understand how this is being allowed to happen.

Don't we have a Geneva Convention anymore?

Does the Israeli government have as much respect for law and morality as a terrorist organisation now?

The whole thing is horrific.

I am also amazed and dismayed that Israel, considering the way their state came to be formed and the horrific genocide inflicted on Jews by the Nazis, think that pursuing this action against the civilians of Gaza is okay.

These appalling situations with innocent civilians on both sides being caught in the middle will go on and on until countries are brave enough to make compromises. It's not just Israel and Palestine, it would take the cooperation of surrounding Arab states as well. It could happen but with current mindsets on both sides, it won't.

Don't we have a Geneva Convention anymore?

Yes, quite @verdantverdure - doesn’t one of the Geneva conventions cover the protection of civilians in war and another the treatment of wounded? Both seem to be disregarded at the moment

They've been advised to leave and given a further 6 hours but their own government have advised them to stay! So no genocide yet.

The genocide that has actually happened occurred in the Hamas terrorist attacks last Saturday.

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