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To be against the attacks on Palestine

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Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 13:42

What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

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FOJN · 11/10/2023 16:33

Thatladdo · 11/10/2023 16:23

Khaled Mashal, one of the leaders of Hammas has just called for worldwide attacks against jews, everywere.
The date of these attacks is Friday October 13th.

You have the USA delivering mountains of Arms to Nevatim airbase in Israel, Russia said it would join and support Hammas if the US involved itself.

The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard is ready to go to war with Israel in a joint operation with Hezbollah.

As an "interesting" side note, North Korea appears to be preparing to attack South Korea.

This is all going to blow up LONG before before we have to worry about the odd Palestinian landing on one of our beaches.

Hezbollah have already launched missiles from Lebanon.

All we need now is for China to make a move on Taiwan.

I agree this has the potential to escalate on a global scale

otnot · 11/10/2023 16:34

I stand 100% with Israel and have been absolutely horrified at the demonstrations seen in the UK in support of Hamas over the past few days, as well as the overtly racist responses on this site and many others. I knew antisemitism was supposedly growing but had no idea that it was this common, or that it was acceptable to the point people apparently feel neither shame nor fear of censure when admitting to it. I feel extremely unsettled knowing I reside among people who would defend babies being beheaded, old people being burnt alive, women being brutally gang-raped and beaten to death etc etc. I feel disgusted that more is not being done by our government - why no buildings lit up in blue and white, why no minute's silence? My MP's not even mentioned it. It is interesting how keen people are to try and disassociate Hamas and Palestine when all polls have shown strong and continued support; three months ago, 50% agreed that Hamas should continue demanding the destruction of Israel and 57% had "at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas". This is despite 65% believing there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” (Washington Institute). Can you imagine any of our parties polling these sort of figures?! Hamas are absolutely ruling with the will of the Palestinian people and their stated ambition is the destruction of all Jews. More should have been done a long time ago but wails from the west have meant Israel have been unable to do much other than build bigger and bigger defences - and then the west squeaks that they've imprisoned Palestine 'cos of all the big walls! Now we can see precisely what they have been trying to defend themselves against - but some people would still claim they're the baddies. Israel has offered attempts at resolution and peace many times, Palestine has refused them all and never once offered their own. I stand 100% with Israel.

Tinkerbyebye · 11/10/2023 16:34

Ah so what you are saying is the UK and US and any European country really can retaliate if they are bombed or whatever by terrorists, but Israel can’t?

Hamas are terrorists, they are using the Palestinians on the Gaza Strip as hostages, hoping the world will condemn Israel for retaliating when Hamas fired the first shot

caringcarer · 11/10/2023 16:35

Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 13:42

What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Because they hide Hamas among their civilian population.

Brefugee · 11/10/2023 16:36

fioritura · 11/10/2023 16:13

Vile.

This is more the style of Israelis when they think they’re safe from the eyes of the world.

i can't understand that language. What does this show?

BlurredEdges · 11/10/2023 16:36

otnot · 11/10/2023 16:34

I stand 100% with Israel and have been absolutely horrified at the demonstrations seen in the UK in support of Hamas over the past few days, as well as the overtly racist responses on this site and many others. I knew antisemitism was supposedly growing but had no idea that it was this common, or that it was acceptable to the point people apparently feel neither shame nor fear of censure when admitting to it. I feel extremely unsettled knowing I reside among people who would defend babies being beheaded, old people being burnt alive, women being brutally gang-raped and beaten to death etc etc. I feel disgusted that more is not being done by our government - why no buildings lit up in blue and white, why no minute's silence? My MP's not even mentioned it. It is interesting how keen people are to try and disassociate Hamas and Palestine when all polls have shown strong and continued support; three months ago, 50% agreed that Hamas should continue demanding the destruction of Israel and 57% had "at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas". This is despite 65% believing there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” (Washington Institute). Can you imagine any of our parties polling these sort of figures?! Hamas are absolutely ruling with the will of the Palestinian people and their stated ambition is the destruction of all Jews. More should have been done a long time ago but wails from the west have meant Israel have been unable to do much other than build bigger and bigger defences - and then the west squeaks that they've imprisoned Palestine 'cos of all the big walls! Now we can see precisely what they have been trying to defend themselves against - but some people would still claim they're the baddies. Israel has offered attempts at resolution and peace many times, Palestine has refused them all and never once offered their own. I stand 100% with Israel.

Thank you. Posts like this, and messages from non-Jewish friends here in the UK, with no direct personal stake in the conflict, mean the world, thank you. xx

SnowflakeCity · 11/10/2023 16:38

otnot · 11/10/2023 16:34

I stand 100% with Israel and have been absolutely horrified at the demonstrations seen in the UK in support of Hamas over the past few days, as well as the overtly racist responses on this site and many others. I knew antisemitism was supposedly growing but had no idea that it was this common, or that it was acceptable to the point people apparently feel neither shame nor fear of censure when admitting to it. I feel extremely unsettled knowing I reside among people who would defend babies being beheaded, old people being burnt alive, women being brutally gang-raped and beaten to death etc etc. I feel disgusted that more is not being done by our government - why no buildings lit up in blue and white, why no minute's silence? My MP's not even mentioned it. It is interesting how keen people are to try and disassociate Hamas and Palestine when all polls have shown strong and continued support; three months ago, 50% agreed that Hamas should continue demanding the destruction of Israel and 57% had "at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas". This is despite 65% believing there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” (Washington Institute). Can you imagine any of our parties polling these sort of figures?! Hamas are absolutely ruling with the will of the Palestinian people and their stated ambition is the destruction of all Jews. More should have been done a long time ago but wails from the west have meant Israel have been unable to do much other than build bigger and bigger defences - and then the west squeaks that they've imprisoned Palestine 'cos of all the big walls! Now we can see precisely what they have been trying to defend themselves against - but some people would still claim they're the baddies. Israel has offered attempts at resolution and peace many times, Palestine has refused them all and never once offered their own. I stand 100% with Israel.

You are 100% behind apartheid, 100% behind babies and children being blown up, 100% behind war crimes but think you have some moral highground? I think what Hamas have done is abhorrent. I also think that Israel have and continue to act shamefully.

Coughingdodger · 11/10/2023 16:38

Disagreeing with Israel’s policies is not the same thing as anti semitism. As you well know.

caringcarer · 11/10/2023 16:38

slowsundays · 11/10/2023 14:46

@Clutterbugsmum how are they going to get to Hamas when they hole up with civilians in homes and hide in schools with innocents?

Exactly Hamas are to blame if Israel bombs Gaza for hiding among civilians. They could come out and save the Palestinian civilians but they prefer using them as human shields.

Coughingdodger · 11/10/2023 16:40

Tinkerbyebye · 11/10/2023 16:34

Ah so what you are saying is the UK and US and any European country really can retaliate if they are bombed or whatever by terrorists, but Israel can’t?

Hamas are terrorists, they are using the Palestinians on the Gaza Strip as hostages, hoping the world will condemn Israel for retaliating when Hamas fired the first shot

I don’t think many ordinary people supported the bombing of Iraq. But it happened in the days before social media so a lot was swept under the carpet until too late. It was shameful, no doubt about it. No one wants a repeat of it now.

caringcarer · 11/10/2023 16:41

Let us never forget that ordinary Palestinian people voted Hamas into power in 2006.

Coughingdodger · 11/10/2023 16:41

caringcarer · 11/10/2023 16:41

Let us never forget that ordinary Palestinian people voted Hamas into power in 2006.

50% of Palestine was not born in 2006.

Bearcub101 · 11/10/2023 16:44

Hamas have brought this on. They’ve murdered innocent people, murdered babies, murdered children, murdered teens, murdered the elderly, raped women and burned people alive.

Hamas have brought terror to Gaza. Isreal have retaliated as any country would if their civilians had been murdered in cold blood. would you want our government to stand back if this had happened on our land?

Noicant · 11/10/2023 16:44

I don’t endorse it, but I do understand, Israel is in a bind, Hamas like to keep their operations in hospitals, schools (there have been reports of schools being used as weapons storage) etc. They literally use the Palestinian population as a human shield, they will use children as well, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some kids shoved out in front during a ground invasion. Every Palestinian death is a propaganda victory for these people.

There is literally no way to target Hamas without civilians getting in the way. It’s a heap of stinking shit and it’s awful for everyone but Hamas is a stain on humanity, the stuff they have done is so utterly abhorrent that they can’t be left unchecked. It is isis levels of brutality, would you leave that on your doorstep? The equivalent population would be 7500 british lives lost in 48 hours due to terror attacks.

My thoughts are with everyone who didn’t ask for any of this but will still suffer. Hamas are the bad guys here.

sunshinesupermum · 11/10/2023 16:44

OP are you suggesting that Hamas continue butchering Israeli babies and children, which they most certainly will do if Israel doesn't retaliate and bomb Gaza? WTF would you expect the British Government to do if terrorists did the same in the UK? Asking for a friend.

BlurredEdges · 11/10/2023 16:45

One of our best reporters, on a channel with no brief for Israel:

“Some reports suggest that some of the victims may have been decapitated but really such a horrific level of violence was used, the bodies are in such a bad condition that it’s hard to know if it’s true or not.”

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1711817847800811810?s=20

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1711817847800811810?s=20

fioritura · 11/10/2023 16:46

Brefugee · 11/10/2023 16:36

i can't understand that language. What does this show?

It’s a private Israeli Discord chat celebrating (check the reaction emojis) the death of Palestinian babies. Obviously someone in the chat was disgusted enough to share with the world.

Thankfully, an increasing number of young Jewish people are fighting back (and are being treated appallingly) against the dehumanisation and ill treatment of Palestinians and have access to these conversations.

Buzzbee7 · 11/10/2023 16:46

Jackienory · 11/10/2023 16:30

Coughingdodger .......Some men attacked Israel so let’s bomb hundreds,

HAMAS cut the heads off children and babies and then burned families alive in their own homes. Not to mention slaughtering hundreds of unarmed kids at a concert.

That is what the Nazi's did. And it's the same act of racial barbarity. The lesson the Jewish people learned from that was to fight back with everything they have.

And there can be no doubt in anybodies mind that they will do just that.

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1712016228338786407?t=OyfuYAOiU2isgNYWHwz7ng&s=19

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1712016228338786407?s=19&t=OyfuYAOiU2isgNYWHwz7ng

caringcarer · 11/10/2023 16:46

otnot · 11/10/2023 16:34

I stand 100% with Israel and have been absolutely horrified at the demonstrations seen in the UK in support of Hamas over the past few days, as well as the overtly racist responses on this site and many others. I knew antisemitism was supposedly growing but had no idea that it was this common, or that it was acceptable to the point people apparently feel neither shame nor fear of censure when admitting to it. I feel extremely unsettled knowing I reside among people who would defend babies being beheaded, old people being burnt alive, women being brutally gang-raped and beaten to death etc etc. I feel disgusted that more is not being done by our government - why no buildings lit up in blue and white, why no minute's silence? My MP's not even mentioned it. It is interesting how keen people are to try and disassociate Hamas and Palestine when all polls have shown strong and continued support; three months ago, 50% agreed that Hamas should continue demanding the destruction of Israel and 57% had "at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas". This is despite 65% believing there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” (Washington Institute). Can you imagine any of our parties polling these sort of figures?! Hamas are absolutely ruling with the will of the Palestinian people and their stated ambition is the destruction of all Jews. More should have been done a long time ago but wails from the west have meant Israel have been unable to do much other than build bigger and bigger defences - and then the west squeaks that they've imprisoned Palestine 'cos of all the big walls! Now we can see precisely what they have been trying to defend themselves against - but some people would still claim they're the baddies. Israel has offered attempts at resolution and peace many times, Palestine has refused them all and never once offered their own. I stand 100% with Israel.

Yes, I support Israel too. I detest anti semitism. No race should be scapegoats by the world as history has shown the Jews have been. Anyone in the UK pulling down Israeli flags showing support should be charged with hate crimes. People in London have been celebrating by setting fireworks and handing out sweets once the attacks on Israel were first announced. Anyone found celebrating such dreadful heinous acts of terror should be deported if they are not UK citizens and charged if they are.

zyymom · 11/10/2023 16:48

Bearcub101 · 11/10/2023 16:44

Hamas have brought this on. They’ve murdered innocent people, murdered babies, murdered children, murdered teens, murdered the elderly, raped women and burned people alive.

Hamas have brought terror to Gaza. Isreal have retaliated as any country would if their civilians had been murdered in cold blood. would you want our government to stand back if this had happened on our land?

If we had to pay the price for what our government has done, I guess every single woman and child in the UK should be starved, displaced and killed.

samupnorth · 11/10/2023 16:48

They are being deprived of basic needs because as usual, Israels war crimes are brushed over by the West which I think stems from guilt over the atrocities committed against Jewish people.

otnot · 11/10/2023 16:54

SnowflakeCity · 11/10/2023 16:38

You are 100% behind apartheid, 100% behind babies and children being blown up, 100% behind war crimes but think you have some moral highground? I think what Hamas have done is abhorrent. I also think that Israel have and continue to act shamefully.

An apartheid between a group of people who want to live peacefully and a group who want to murder them? Yep, I 100% support that - also worth remembering that 20% of Israel's residents are Palestinians who enjoy the exact same rights as everyone else, odd sort of apartheid surely... Or are we just supposed to ignore them? Do you mean the babies or children being deliberately used as shields to cover Hamas' operations - something that has been reported widely for at least several years now? Yes, if Hamas chose to build their HQ in a school, I do indeed 100% support blowing up that school. I'm not sure what war crimes you refer to - the rapes, kidnappings, torturings, murders etc were your side... Unless you mean stopping supplying the enemy who has just attacked them with utilities?! Er, yes of course I support that - I find it very odd that these big evil genocidal Israelis have all this time apparently been kindly providing so much to people who have sworn their entire life's mission is to eradicate them! Palestine has received billions if not trillions in aid, maybe they should have used some of it for infrastructure instead of bombs.

ForFriends · 11/10/2023 16:55

And Palestinians celebrated this @caringcarer.

Interesting that Russia is siding with Hamas, talk about being on the so called 'right side of history'.

This will either blow up or blow over, we'll see as it has before. I hope it's the latter.

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