To be against the attacks on Palestine

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What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Hamas has a stranglehold on everything. Ordinary Palastinians are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

@iloveapplesandcakes

You do realise that Hamas has done good things for the Palestinians at least some of the time and that they have no other support at all for the situation they’re in?

And you do realise they’re a brutal bloodthirsty terrorist group? Would you go up against them if you lived under them? Or live a quiet life and try to take care of your family as best you can?

Over and over the basic message is it’s their ‘own fault’ right?

There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.

This is some seriously dangerous rhetoric. Those “animals” are innocent children.

Until Hamas is gone, Israel is not safe. Unfortunately, until Hamas is gone, ordinary Palestinians aren't safe either (from Hamas and from whatever Israel does).

And I agree with this. But Israel, as a country and not a terrorist group, holds some level of accountability here. You expect a terrorist group to fight dirty. Netanyahu is not representative of the everyday Israeli in the same way Hamas are not representative of the everyday Palestinian.

the only aid the west should give is refuge tbh.

TheWayTheLightFalls · Today 14:35

I’m a Jew with family in Israel. If I could click my fingers and have the Hamas perpetrators gathered up in jail awaiting trial would I do it? Certainly.

It's cheering to hear that you can retain your humanity in this scenario. I've just been listening to an Israeli Jewish guy on Radio Newcastle; he and his wife and kids had to stay in a shelter for two days. He said that he thinks that Palestinians are OK and deserve their own country, but that Hamas are evil.

The Guardian has a piece from some Jewish and Arab contributors, similarly arguing for caution.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/10/how-should-the-us-respond-to-the-israel-palestine-crisis-our-panel-weighs-in

^Yet I agree with Israel’s right to defend itself even if I really don’t agree with everything it is doing right now. Inevitably when something like this happens there’s a spike in anti-semitic incidents abroad (as there is now)....

Yes, there's an increased Police presence in Bensham (Gateshead) at the moment, because of angry morons.

So much generational trauma and hatred from both sides. No one thinking straight. To be fair, I can understand the current rage from Israelis. Just as I would understand the blind rage of any parent whose child has just been mown down.

What I don’t understand is the failure of everyone else to try to calm down the situation and prevent the loss of many more innocent lives, now and for generations to come. Instead, many seem to be actively inflaming the situation. Waving flags and sending in massive weapons and standing by while it seems Gaza might be flattened. What on earth is happening? Maybe wiser and more sensible things are going on behind the scenes. I sincerely hope so.

Human beings should not have to go through this amount of suffering and await death with no chance of escape purely because of the way that they were born. Messages aren’t delivering anymore. Truly heartbreaking.

To think that Israel have cut off electricity before they go in for a ground assault is harrowing and sickening. They know that by the time the war crimes they will commit will come out in the open it will be too late for the international community to intervene

But the Israelies can vote Netanyahu out. Hamas not so much, for the Palastinians

Assuming there are about 2m people in Gaza and let's say 50,000 Hamas fighters - that's about one in 40. Means nearly every family has one of them (maybe extended family)?

And I agree with this. But Israel, as a country and not a terrorist group, holds some level of accountability here. You expect a terrorist group to fight dirty. Netanyahu is not representative of the everyday Israeli in the same way Hamas are not representative of the everyday Palestinian.

I do agree with this. Finally a post that is able to critique Israel WITHOUT being anti semitic and hateful.

There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly. This is some seriously dangerous rhetoric. Those “animals” are innocent children.

The word animal is bonkers in this context. Animals do not behave like this, depraved humans do and only depraved humans.

Can we all agree that Hamas must go? Hamas are a death cult and they are the oppressors. It's mind boggling that money has been spent in aid while Hamas is in power.

But ok for the other 39 out of 40 (mostly children, as Gaza is 50% under 19 years old) to be bombed to appease Israel?

Maybe wiser and more sensible things are going on behind the scenes. I sincerely hope so

Sadly I think not. What negotiation could be had? Each side simply wants the other not to exist.

The only international direction being offered to Palestinians is likely coming from states like Iran who have no interest in peace in the region and actively want Hamas involved in conflict. I’m not entirely sure the same can’t be said for Israel’s current advisors/support either.

Behind the scenes is, I suspect, a brutally horrifying space.

As a way to force Hamas out, what if Israel stopped supplying essentials in short bursts while a corridor for humanitarian aid is kept open via Egypt? Make them feel the pressure but minimise actual death?

I'm Jewish and YANBU. Hamas' attacks were vile but summary punishment of all Palestinians is also barbaric, and what's more will lead to outrages that will make Jewish sites around the world targets for extremist cells elsewhere. The Israeli government policy to hit back 100 times over has not and never will stop this hate and violence, and Hamas seem treat the Palestinian people as pawns to undermine Israel, no matter how many suffer and die.

Hamas and Israeli leaders seem determined to put the people they represent in the path of mutually assured destruction. It's tragic and so wrong.

I am feeling a bit sick thinking about what's about to be unleashed on innocent people in Palestine, just as I was appalled by the murder and kidnap of Israelis at the weekend.

Well said @Echobelly

I’m afraid it’s the unpopular view but I agree with you. So few people bother to look at the history of this conflict.

I just can’t get my head around people trying to justify this online, people can be so evil. The amount of misinformation and outright lies being spread online to fuel hate, garner support and attempt to justify the treatment of Palestinians is terrifying. The most despicable are the ones who use horrific stories of what has happened to Palestinian women and children at the hands of Israeli soldiers. Sickening.

Like I said I don't want to speak much on this as its so close to home. All I will say is go back to 1948. When Israel took over Palestinian.

I don't condone violence as its happening on both sides but like I said I am with the Palestinians all the way.

I wonder if the Uk government are gonna step in 😕😕

Vile.

This is more the style of Israelis when they think they’re safe from the eyes of the world.

The suffering of the innocent needs to end. 😔

Khaled Mashal, one of the leaders of Hammas has just called for worldwide attacks against jews, everywere.
The date of these attacks is Friday October 13th.

You have the USA delivering mountains of Arms to Nevatim airbase in Israel, Russia said it would join and support Hammas if the US involved itself.

The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard is ready to go to war with Israel in a joint operation with Hezbollah.

As an "interesting" side note, North Korea appears to be preparing to attack South Korea.

This is all going to blow up LONG before before we have to worry about the odd Palestinian landing on one of our beaches.

Coughingdodger .......Some men attacked Israel so let’s bomb hundreds,

HAMAS cut the heads off children and babies and then burned families alive in their own homes. Not to mention slaughtering hundreds of unarmed kids at a concert.

That is what the Nazi's did. And it's the same act of racial barbarity. The lesson the Jewish people learned from that was to fight back with everything they have.

And there can be no doubt in anybodies mind that they will do just that.

Because cowardly Hamas hide in Palestinian schools using Palestinian school children as human shields in the hope Israel won't retaliate. There are still rockets being launched out of Gaza ATM towards Israel. I've just heard this on radio news. That means there are still Hamas in Gaza. There needs to be safe exits from Gaza for ordinary Palestinian people to move out. Israel can then put a stop to Hamas and their rocket launching. They have beheaded babies, raped 8 year old girls and taken hostages of children and the elderly. There are just no excuses for their behaviour. Israel does have a legitimate right to try to get back their hostages and fight back against the Hamas terrorists who are backed by Iran who also backs Putin. Hamas are akin to Isis and need stopping at all costs.