To be against the attacks on Palestine

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What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Palestinians will be eyed with huge suspicion in the West now as they were by their Arab neighbours before.

Other muslim countries aren't sat in Israel giving them full support right now like our government.

I agree with OP.

The shear disproportionate response from Israel to Hamas is what most concerning.

So many people including children are going to suffer with the stopping of basic human rights and the bombing.

I have no issues with them going after Hamas terrorist's but to bomb/invade is not going to help anyone with peace.

OP I can't imagine any person who is aware of the current situation supports attacks on Palestinian civilians. I also can't imagine very many people would support the actions of the IDF or israeli government towards Palestinian civilians.

It's possible to condemn both at the same time, and protesting one doesn't mean supporting the other.

@Clutterbugsmum how are they going to get to Hamas when they hole up with civilians in homes and hide in schools with innocents?

I agree with Israel’s right to defend itself, and I can’t see what viable option they had after the massacre. This does not make me happy and I don’t think it’s ok that innocents are dying on both sides. But I do think retaliation was inevitable and Hamas knew that. They are sacrificing their own in more ways than one.

A case of not hearing what they wanted so they started their own goady thread

There have been very dominant pro Israel threads on MN.

If you sympathise with Palestinians the gist of it has been:

‘You’re glad a women are raped by Hamas? That women and children have been abducted and young people killed at a festival?’

When saying anything about how Israel are killing hundreds and thousands of innocent Palestinians the gist of it has been:

‘Well why don’t Hamas do better for their people? Hamas knew what would happen and they support Hamas’

The same outrage on killing, being starved and denied water and aid is not afforded to Palestinians by certain posters on MN. The world is outraged for Israel though.

They are both wrong. Hamas through brutality, Israel through brutality dressed in diplomacy. The world at large for not condemning Israel sooner. The decision in 1948 which began these events. The everyday Palestinians are landlocked in a kind of cage. I don’t know the answer, there isn’t one until one of those bombs lands on Temple Mount and end this tragedy.

I also wonder how many Palestinians were enjoying themselves at a festival before they met their deaths. I’d suggest none. They are innocent and Hamas are not representative of them.

When a Israeli journalist throws a massive headline on a Israeli newspaper saying "This is on you Netanyahu" who the hell is the world to say especially some mumsnetters "yeah but this and that". Only the Palestinians know the atrocities they have lived through decades of depravation of the most basic human rights at the hands of the most radicalised, racist apartheid regime where your taxes have enabled this. Yes US and the UK, I'm talking to you.

The table is turning, Israel have no respect to it's own citizen. Any ounce of sympathy to those poor victims at the festival and the victims that have died being captured by Hamas are now all about to be forgotten because in the next few weeks we will witness one of the most destructive human tragedies. Cannibalism. Any pro Israeli is going to be ashamed and run out of excuses and keep quiet. The world leaders are going to face huge pressures to intervene. Suella and her racist threats are going to be empty threats and force to quit because of the public backlash because any excuse Netanyahu had to wipe out Palestinians once and for all, he has got it now.

Agreed. Israel has wanted to wipe the Palestinian people off the map for a long time, and Hamas has provided the catalyst. This is a really dangerous moment for the world as well as an appalling human tragedy. It's also bringing out a lot of hideous prejudices as people make it clear how much/little relative value they place on Arab/Jewish lives.

@Green777 I sympathise with the Palestinians, not least because of the brutal regime they live in under Hamas. Hamas kill and torture their own. Regularly. I don’t know how Palestine will ever be free of Hamas but I sincerely hope it happens someday.

This is so cold - they’re happily webcamming what they’re doing. The chat underneath is best to hide, hideous.

I'm not on anyone's side, but if god forbid that was my daughter paraded half naked through the streets or my toddler ripped from my arms and decapitated I would send the bombs to whoever i held responsible, either for the crimes or for sheilding, myself. As a pp said though, and eye for an eye makes the world blind. The struggle is a biblical one in origin, and now a bomb is thrown from the Plastinian side and Israel throw 10 back. No one living there really started this, its just tit for tat revenge and retaliation, and I feel for the innocents caught up on both sides.

It's about time everyone came to the table for mediation and only then will this conflict be resolved. If the international community let's this continue the cycle of violence against the most vulnerable(on both sides) will happen every few years and the refugee will be coming to our shores. A

But if you had your finger on the button to release the bomb and someone said well the building you're going to hit might have your daughter's killer in it or it might have a mother and her two young babies in it would you still press the button?

The majority of comments I have seen on MN is that it is a horrible conflict with terrible atrocities on both sides and that people feel so sad for the civilians on both sides. I think this is a very balanced view and I'm glad it's the one that seems to be most prevalent. It's just awful all round

The shear disproportionate response from Israel to Hamas is what most concerning.

It's always been that way, and that's why the situation is deteriorating all the time. It's not Palestinian adults who are radicalising Palestinian kids. The Israelis are radicalising them through violence and oppression.

I think it is very difficult for most people living in the west to really understand the reality of the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

The government of Palestine (Hammas) wants to destroy the state of Israel so as far as the Israelis are concerned they are fighting for their survival. As far as ordinary Palestinians are concerned they are fighting for their freedom from being controlled by Israel.

The situation is not helped by the fact that the conditions that young Palestinians are raised in leads to many of them becoming radicalised. As someone quoted on another thread courtesy of Bob Dylan "when you ain't got nothing you've got nothing to lose".

What I do find disturbing with the present situation is the number of people worldwide who have celebrated the rape, torture, beheading and murder of women and children just because they are Israelis.

I don't know what the solution is and I think it is horrible what the ordinary Palestinians are suffering. I don't think demonising the Israelis helps either.

Numerous attempts have been made for many years to resolve the situation, sometimes almost getting there. Unfortunately there are too many other players involved and those countries/interest groups tend to use the situation to their own advantage.

I feel desperately sorry for innocent civilians on both sides who are caught up in this but sadly geopolitics and terrorist agendas always seem to override the needs of ordinary people just trying to get on with their lives.

I don’t want to see further violence but I’m genuinely at a loss as to what else Israel could respond to Saturdays attacks with. Hamas have no objective but to wipe out Israel, there’s no compromise or peace talks to be had.

Israel have treated the Palestinians terribly and there’s no question, the construction of Israel itself is complicated and messy.

Civilians on both sides are little more than pawns. It’s heart achingly terrible to witness.

The previous threads on this subject ended up as bun fights.

it is perfectly possible to have a lot of empathy, and support Palistinians affected by Israeli boycotts and the settlers. They are also greatly affected by Hamas directly and indirectly due to the reaction to Hamas' terrorist activities.

It is perfectly possible to have a lot of empathy and support the affected Israeli citizens and visitors who are under terrorist attack and have been since i can remember. And also not be a huge fan of the Israeli government and the direction it is taking.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation and they are having their strings pulled by bad-faith actors (the Russians, the Iranians) as well as their own leaders going off on a tangent. Netanyahu is a dangerous war mongering hawk who now finds himself supported in his defence of his country by people who wouldn't normally give him the steam off their piss (me for example). There is no proportionate response here, to be honest, because until Hamas is gone, Israel is not safe. Unfortunately, until Hamas is gone, ordinary Palistiniens aren't safe either (from Hamas and from whatever Israel does).

It is a big hot mess.

Can someone explain to me please how is this possible for such a super densely populated area as Gaza, with such young demographics, to allow Hamas to be there for so long if they are not supported? those Hamas fighters must be well known to general public, right? their military bases and warehoused should be known as well? so if majority of Palestinians don't support them and their tactics, how can they continue?

Or is this the same as "it's Putin's aggression, not Russians; Russians didn't want this war and they are innocent"? conveniently forgetting that Russians voted for Putin for over 20 years and over 80% of population strongly support the war? or is this different with Gaza?

I would hope I wouldn't press the button, but its easy to say I would take the moral high ground and be the better person when my dc are safe and with me. The power to the region is almost off now, many, many more people will die.