To be against the attacks on Palestine

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What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Hamas has to be eliminated. Hamas always hide behind civilians. Hamas are to blame for the situation in Gaza. Garzans need liberation from hamas. Hamas brutalises Palestinians and siphons off aid money for their estates in Qatar and other places. Considering the bombing that Israel has perpetrated there are very few civilian casualties which shows that the warning system is working to a large extent. Hamas don’t give warnings and their attacks on innocents are unprovoked.

The IDF have declined to confirm that babies were beheaded by Hamas and the BBC are declining to report it as fact until confirmed by someone apart from second hand reports on social media. It doesn’t make the murders any “better”but there is certainly a lot of sensationalising going on, just to make sure the situation is as inflamed as possible. Just as with WMD in Iraq. Why deliberately set out make things sound even worse than they already are? What purpose does it serve? Apart from fuelling more rage, fear, hatred and leading to yet more atrocities on both sides.

Well said. @otnot

Yeah, I know you are behind all of that, you already said You made your lack of morals really clear in your first post 🤷‍♀️

Gaza is a concentration camp an open air prison right now. There is no way out for the civilians.
Genocide right before our eyes. Historians will look back and wonder how did the world allow Israel to commit the atrocities against Palestinians.

People here are still justifying killing Palestinians is the right thing to do.

Before you go about liberating Gazans from Hamas.. Have you protested to give Palestinians equal rights and end their occupation?

Because rather than going for the disease you are looking at fixing the side effects.

I think it’s the 1000 people murdered which probably did it. Not just cos the IDF saw some rumour on twitter.

Why are so many on MN still running with the beheaded babies story? The IOF debunked it three times this morning stating that, actually, they had no proof such an event had occurred, that a single soldier had said something to an Israeli reporter who spread it like wildfire. The NYT retracted the story, and now the British reporters are backtracking massively online to save their arses because they put it as headlines news without corroborating the story first. I remember the “babies in incubators” propaganda all too well so followed the story closely when the dots weren’t joining.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

I’m not trying to minimise the actions of Hamas over the past two days but if there is an update on a story then that needs to be as loud as the initial report. There is so much blatant propaganda online that is incitement to ethnic and racial hatred and it always needs to be challenged.

The same as the Israeli children in cages story - the image that was shared was of Palestinian children put in cages by Israeli forces from a few years ago, but the corrected tweet from the author was nowhere near as shared as the original and so the narrative continues to run.

But for Hamas the occupation means all of Israel, they aren’t talking about Gaza (where there are no Israelis except the ones just taken hostage) or West Bank (where there are fools who’ve decided to move in and be a thorn in everyones side). They mean no Jews in Israel at all. None.

It is a very complex area, both historically, and practically - the population density, preparedness for guerilla war, Hamas intentionally placing military infrastructure into the civilian one, you name it.

What do you suggest Izrael should do now to protect its citizens?

I suppose stopping the piped water supply will come together with providing some water in controlled corridors or something like that, to help with filtering innocents from Hamas.

Just blame the victims eh, OP? Whole families were butchered by Hamas on Saturday. There have been plenty of reputable reports from MSM to confirm that. Jewish people get massacred but you do you.

@samupnorth that is borderline anti semitic. Are you not European then? It's not at all about guilt but about empathy and understanding. Empathy for the most persecuted people in history. Jews have been persecuted ever since they were forced to leave their land Judea, the were oppressed everywhere and all the time until 6 million were murdered, brutally. Can you not understand why they would wish to defend themselves as a people, have tehir original country as their home? I'm not saying it's wise or smart but it is understandable. Do you not understand that millions of Jews sat cowering in small spaces during the Nazi regime, hiding and trying to survive, most didn't survive BTW? Now Gazans and Hamas have done the same to jewish people, chased them out of their homes, murdered them in cold blood.

Don't be patronising by calling it 'guilt' it's not about that, it's about what happened to Jews over the course of 2 millennia and during the Holocaust. The land is originally Jewish land, they were chased away, now they're back.

There has never been a sovereign Palestine, surely people know this? It was governed by the Ottomans for over 400 years and before that the Romans. Did anyone complain about that? Palestinians were also offered their own country alongside Israel being 'given' to Jewish people. They should have taken it.

Because it's been confirmed but you're never going to accept that are you.

I was suspicious of the babies story from the off, because baby murder seems to be a staple of war propaganda.

Having said that, Britain accused the Germans of bayonneting Belgian babies during World War One, and that's often cited as war propaganda. But according to Robert Fisk there was some truth in it.

You’re wrong - I would accept it, and I would think it abhorrent. I do not support the actions of Hamas - but it hasn’t been confirmed, the IOF made statements of the opposite this morning, yet the international media published the story as headline news and many people online are using it as blatant propaganda to incite hatred of Palestinians to try and justify what is currently, and what has previously, happened to them.

The western media spin on this has been horrific serving no other purpose except to spread lies and misinformation with the sole aim tof justifing the killing of innocent civilians and escalating matters.

It's heartening to see Israeli media such as Haaretz being more honest and laying the blame with Netanyahu who they claim knew the attacks were going to happen and did nothing to stop them.

Anyone here supporting the slow strangulation of an occupied people, starved of water and food, and then literally bombed to death needs to question their morality. I cannot stand hamas and their actions they are sickening, but using Final Solution wording to murder innocent civilians is beyond disgusting. Shame on the fascists embedded within Israeli government, their war mongering and death cult rhetoric.

I'm sick to death of men wreaking havoc and destruction in that region. Where are the calls for peace? Ordinary people are desperate for a resolution.

Jesus people really in here saying proudly well they killed our babies so we're going to kill theirs. I don't believe in god but if there's an afterlife than I hope the people who kill, or give the orders that end up killing, Israeli and Palestinian children find themselves stuck sharing the same small piece of hell marked child killers. Like "oh their reasons for killing children arent valid but ours definitely are"

The Guardian just announced at least 1100 Palestinians including 326 children killed by Israel since Saturday.

otnot · Today 16:54

An apartheid between a group of people who want to live peacefully and a group who want to murder them? Yep, I 100% support that - also worth remembering that 20% of Israel's residents are Palestinians who enjoy the exact same rights as everyone else, odd sort of apartheid surely...

Well, if you consider that Palestinians, children included, can be put into "administrative detention," but Jewish Israelis cannot, then they have the same rights. You do know about administrative detention, don't you? It's where they lock people up, with no evidence of a crime:

https://www.btselem.org/topic/administrative_detention

Palestinians find it almost impossible to get titles to land and houses, even if they've been in families for generations. Jewish Israelis can obtain title for those properties and kick the original owners out. Same rights?

Palestinians are "legally" allowed to be tortured, during Police, security service and military interrogations, where as Jewish Israelis are not.

Palestinians are sentenced to far harsher sentences than Jewish Israelis, for identical crimes.

Are you sure there's no Apartheid? Archbishop Desmond Tutu says so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-kibbutz-kfar-azza.html

Definitely babies killed, confirmed.

Jamie Lee Curtis (already confirmed twat, tbf) posted the image of caged children on her Instagram and said she was horrified that Israeli children were being captured and caged. When she was informed by many that actually, these were Palestinian children caged by Israeli forces, she deleted the post and remained silent - because obviously Palestinian children being caged isn’t horrifying at all! 😡

Op you've said you are against the attacks on Palestine. Are you also against the attacks on Israel?

Both sides have suffered similar loss of life. Surely as compassionate humans we should be against both sides attacking each other?

Hamas attack was barbaric, Israel must defend itself but not by killing civilians.

Both sides have suffered similar loss of life.

It sounds like Israel has now killed more Palestinians than Hamas killed Israelis, and according to them, they've only just begun.

I cannot access that article, but I am aware that NYT retracted an article this morning. Sky News reported this morning that they had asked for confirmation 3 times from Israeli forces, who couldn’t confirm and that is why they weren’t running the story. The IOF then stated they had no information on such a situation. The British reporter who initially tweeted about it has confirmed this afternoon that it was hearsay and she saw no evidence of mass murders.