To be against the attacks on Palestine

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What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Why does anyone need to fly any flag? Why are people posting performative bollocks on social media? It causes conflict and division.

There are charities who are offering practical advice and support to those who are in the most horrific situations. If you cannot afford to donate, then sharing a link is better than changing your Facebook profile to a flag.

I am sure there are people who are doing both but a lot of people are serial “pray for X” types who don’t put any thought or care into what they’re doing.

Very moving there is always light in the darkness.

“You can’t cure killed babies with more dead babies. We need peace.” The son of a missing Israeli peace activist says that his mother would be mortified by the situation in Gaza, and that vengeance is not a strategy.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1712822560407097379

@rinbaud What a lovely person he is. Indeed, I'm sure there are many people that want peace and recognise the need for a solution that honours all parties. The trouble is they don't get to call the shots.

How does every body feel about the situation now with close to 600 children babies killed and 1700 people. No food no water no power day 7. A million people told to evacuate in 24 hours and when they do in buses and cars they are bombed and burned to a crisp. Phosphorus is used to painfully burn the victims.

In the west bank where there is no Hamas Palestinians are getting killed by the Israeli settlers.

And UK is sending more support to Israel. How do you feel about it now?

Im very happy to send you insta handles of Palestinian journalists right now in gaza who are posting all the video evidences to prove the above claims.

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Biden today: “We can't lose sight of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians have nothing to do with Hamas and Hamas’ appalling attacks, and they're suffering as a result as well.”

I'm very troubled. I don't think I can even put it into words.

I can't help but not condone any violence or death - even in retaliation of terrible violence. So frankly if it were me, I couldn't be capable of launching a rocket at Gaza. I feel ill thinking what it must be like being there. How terrifying. I just can't bring myself to want Gaza attacked.

That said, I sat here for a few hours thinking that attitudes like mine are probably why most of my ancestors are dead. We just bent over every time. Went quietly. Every time. And it makes me ill thinking of that too.

That sounds very painful @LemonyTicket But I thought there was resistance from Jews under the Nazis. Incredibly brave resistance, when they were starving, traumatised prisoners of the Warsaw ghetto. I'm sorry, it's a long time since I read the history, but I thought there was resistance in camps as well. Incredibly courageous for unarmed people, starving, freezing, beaten - to face the brutality of armed guards. Ordinary unarmed people do tend to obey state uniforms with guns, it's natural behaviour, but I think Jews did resist. Even by the act of surviving and rebuilding lives after the war. And also by the enormous contributions they made to the arts, science, music, culture - that's surviving too. Again, sorry if I'm wrong on this and hope I haven't said anything offensive.
Your compassion for Gazan civilians is, in my mind, also a victory, in holding on to your humanity despite the violent slaughter committed by Hamas.

I feel sick to the bottom of my stomach thinking about what people are going through in Gaza.

Please do send the links.

I sat on my sofa with my boys tonight- watching Bake off- our fire lit cosily with them secured under a blanket with me, and all I could think about are those mothers and small children in a blackout waiting for what is to come.

I spent a summer travelling in Israel/ Egypt in the early 2000’s. Even then the situation was always tense. But I travelled with various people, Israeli and Palestinian.

Having grown up on a conflict border in Northern Ireland (during a bad spell in the early 90s) I experienced about 0.001% of the trauma children in Gaza must be feeling. My heart is equally broken and angry that the world can watch this happen and ‘support’ it.

Anyone that says ‘well it’s all on Hamas’ has truly given up their humanism.

My aunt lives in Israel and protested the gov every time there was a protest. She is not a right winger in anyway. Her 3 adult children and their families fled their kibbutz’s early Saturday morning, to join her in Givat Za’Ev where they felt safer. One of my cousins lived on a kibbutz that borders Lebanon. She has 2 sets of twins under 4.

my aunt is what you would call a “dove”

this is her response to my question asking her if she supports the “retaliation”

“100% support. It is not retaliation though. We warned all the Gazan citizens in the main cities to get out and move towards the southern border because we are going to destroy any and all places where Hamas is located. They hide their rockets and warfare in hospitals, mosques, regular housing districts and schools. Because we are not like them, we have avoided those places in the past. Not anymore. It’s self preservation, not retaliation.

Hamas is the equivalent of ISIS. They are holding the Palestinian people hostage and do not represent them all. In the name of their version of god they have murdered more than Israelis. They have murdered the possibility for the Palestinians to have a better life.”

I’m interested in hearing the opinions of people actually LIVING in Israel, not those that are safe in their cushy homes in UK, US, etc…

🤷🏽‍♀️ that’s your opinion, but you don’t know her so… ? And how dare you lay blame on my aunt over 600 killed babies you moron?

I’m genuinely sorry for your aunt and family, the fear and uncertainty they must be experiencing.

But, and this is a genuine question, how does she propose 1.1 million people with no food, fuel or destination evacuate? Reports are that Israel are bombing routes south: there are mothers literally giving birth in Gaza tonight. Thousands on life support- up to 40% children with serious trauma due to quite indiscriminate air strikes- who literally cannot be moved. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of health care staff (presumably with their own families and young children in this situation) who cannot leave their patients without consigning them to death.

What about children’s homes, disabled people, elderly, infirm? Recent orphans? Gaza- as a consequence of the last several decades of barricade- is a very small land of unplenty. Many people have no transport, no food reserves, over flowing refugee camps…

Is your aunt OK with all of this in her name?

I’m not from Middle East. But I grew up on a very volatile border in Northern Ireland at a particularly active time so have tiny flavour of what terrorism involves.

Absolutely despicable thing to say.

Listen, she has been in tears since Saturday morning, and I genuinely believe that they are seeing it from a “it’s them or us” point of view.

who has time to think about their enemy’s suffering when you are suffering as well? Again, those not experiencing the situation have the privilege to stand on the high ground.

I like to think that if I were in that situation, I too would “be the bigger person” like everyone is prescribing Israelis be right now, but the reality is, these groups want to exterminate them.

And re your question “Is your aunt OK with all of this in her name?”

IS HAMAS OKAY WITH ALL OF THIS IN THEIR NAME?

Seriously. Lay the blame where it damn belongs.

It's just as dispicable as blaming Palestinians for getting bombed. See how it works?

Let's get to the bottom of this shall we?

Hamas knew their missiles had virtually no effect on the Israel militarily.

They knew Israel would shoot 99% of 4000 rockets down yet they kept firing. Why? Because they knew Israel would retaliate which would inadvertently cause civilian deaths.

It is in their interest to get the death-toll as high as possible.

Their goal is not to defeat Israel militarily but to have the world condemn Israel, especially the Arab world.
This guarantees them more funding and helps to further isolate Israel.

Therefore they are willing to sacrifice the lives of Gazans as "collateral damage"

Unless you have evidence of this being deliberate, please keep your half-baked inflammatory ideas to yourself.

The IDF isn't going to waste missiles bombing civilians, it gives no tactical advantage.

This.

I've heard so many Jews say but we gave them a warning to get out.

Where are a million people supposed to go?

Imagine that here - our government have endorsed all kinds of atrocities around the world, occupied and invaded various countries.

If the government of one of those countries announced they were retaliating (and of course it is retaliation) and we had 24 hours to head south and leave everything behind, would you be happy with that? I bloody wouldn't, even if I was fit and healthy and not about to give birth or anything.

@Tessofthebicyles it was reported in the guardian aswell as many social media pages who are live on the ground in gaza
From the 70 who were killed in three separate strikes whilst fleeing, the majority were women and children

@Tessofthebicyles

https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-convoy-attack

It’s disgraceful that we’re sending military help to Israel.The only aid we should be sending is humanitarian aid to the charities who can do something to help the civilians suffering and dying.

@Givemepeas I think many people will agree with you