To be sickened by Hamas

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AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens?

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days.

It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them.

I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying.

I am struggling to process these recent events.

What is wrong with his feed? Appart that he is critical of the Israeli government's crimes?

he's reporting both the actions of Hamas and Israel?

I'm not really an expert on this, TBH. What is current international law? Blockades are an age-old military tactic, and didn't used to be seen as a war crime (because the enemy has the option of surrendering/negotiating peace before everyone starves to death). However, rules of war are very different in the modern world. What should Israel be doing to defeat Hamas? What legal tactics are open to them, given that the enemy refuses to recognise them as a state?

If it confirms your bias fine. I’ll take more than a journalist with a strong editorial view

Bottom line: if no Hamas attacks happened, nobody on either side would have died

Wow that's the most ill informed comment on the thread, well done.
Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians for decades with or without Hamas.

Same, I am very left-wing. But highly disappointed by some elements of the left

There was a TV documentary a while back about Hebron. There was clear evidence that Palestinians were being ousted from their homes - front doors welded shut, and in some of the cases shown, the residents were forced to climb onto rooftops and smash their way into their own homes to gain access. There were also claims of apartheid in that Palestinians were not allowed in certain streets, market places being closed down etc. Can’t remember what it was called, but it’s available still on YouTube.

It's such a shame that so many people feel a need to "pick" one side or the other to support (other than people who actually live there/have family there) - all this does is whip up the hatred more and more. Really we should all be taking a step back and seeing the bigger picture.

The truth is that BOTH sides have done terrible things to the other. The second truth is that BOTH sides have civilians who have suffered and are continuing to suffer in the most inhumane ways. The third truth is that numerous other countries are involved in this conflict - it's not simply neighbours who hate each other, it's a battle for power in the middle east, with US and Iran both contributing significantly, among others.

Really, this is an international issue and it's high time the UN and others took responsibility to gather ALL relevant parties together to try to find a solution. As things stand, even if by some miracle they managed to get Israel and Palestine to agree to a one or two state solution (not remotely possible while Hammas and Netanyahu are in charge), Iran, Lebanon, the US etc would undoubtedly want to keep their fingers in the pie and I have no doubt they would eventually stir up trouble in the region again. I have serious concerns that this could lead to a WW3 type scenario but I very much hope I am wrong. Where are all the world's top diplomats? We need the UN to step in, desperately.

I'm not clicking on any links. You're going to have to type it.

But the issue is, it wasn't an independent state. The land had been colonised for centuries, it was during the process of decolonisation that a Jewish state was created. There was also legitimate purchasing of land. So you're really misrepresenting the facts right from the inception of Israel.

So, why do you think the Israelis are doing this? What's their end game?

I have serious concerns that this could lead to a WW3 type scenario but I very much hope I am wrong.

I think we’ll have to hold our breath until the position of the likes of Russia, China and North Korea become clear. I think you’re right to be concerned

This 👏🏻

Innocent people being used as chess pieces isn’t ok.

From an article explaining teh video.

“If I don’t steal your home, someone else will steal it,” was the answer given by an Israeli settler to Muna al-Kurd, a young Palestinian woman who accused him of stealing her home in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood in the occupied East Jerusalem.

The dialogue, captured on video by Palestinian Tamer Maqalda on Saturday, shows 23-year-old al-Kurd confronting the settler in the garden of her family home.

In the video, al-Kurd is heard telling the settler in English: “Jacob, you know that this is not your home.”
The settler replies : “Yes, but if I go, you don’t go back, so what’s the problem? Why are you yelling at me?”

Someone actually trying to defend some of the illegal settlements by Israelis. @Itllbefine6 you should be ashamed of yourself.

Just to be clear to the right wing Israeli defenders here - YOU CAN CONDEMN HAMAS AND ALSO CRITICISE ISRAELI OCCUPATION

Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights enshrined in Israeli law as Jewish citizens of Israel.

Please don't bring up Palestinian citizens, because they are not Arab citizens of ISRAEL.

The only limits on this are when it's necessary for Israel's own protection. For example you cannot easily bring other Palestinians to live with you - and that is entirely necessary whilst living with naked threat and aggression from those people. Any reasonable person would obviously see that. But your posts on here have been disgusting throughout so I won't hold my breath!

Not venturing an opinion as I don’t want to be accused of being either pro or anti anything - just answering a poster who asked the question.

Oppressing the Palestinians, stealing their land and houses, getting rid of them? Isn't it obvious?

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It's eye opening, I recommend everyone watching it. It's called "How Israeli Apartheid Destroyed My Hometown" for those who are scared of links.

Maybe you should both find the documentary and watch it, and then you can draw your own conclusions from an informed point of view.

Exactly

I've already watched and linked it ( %2B ).

And the Brits were the final colonists. It's hardly a great argument in favour of ethnic cleansing.

The state of Israel was hardly a process of decolonisation, unless you call highly discriminate murder by the British occupying forces - decolonisation.

The foundation of the state of Israel was , and remains, completely dependent on the West to support the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

All the major news agencies are reporting on the Kfar Azar massacre. As I said previously the BBC actually used the term "beheadings", so I can in no way see how this can be described as fake news.

The settlers in the West Bank are lunatic arseholes. Who unfortunately have been empowered by the Hamas attacks, because they opposed the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 05 and one of the reasons was security. They always said there would be attacks like this with no Israeli military presence in Gaza.

I am sick and tired of hearing that if you criticise the Israeli government you are antisemite. No government is above criticism. I vehemently disagree with Hamas and with what is happening to the Palestinians in Gaza (laying siege is a war crime). You can do both at the same time.