To be sickened by Hamas

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AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens?

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days.

It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them.

I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying.

I am struggling to process these recent events.

This thread will go on forever and they won't answer the question. So let me answer it. Blockading a group of people so that they're deprived of medicine, food supplies, and water isn't an act of oppression if you're only doing it in order to prevent them from gaining the supplies they need to invade your country and wipe you out.

Ok, cool. At least you admit it - they won't accept a Jewish state and never have done. And this makes them victims.

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Please learn some geography.

Goods can enter Gaza via the Rafah crossing controlled by Egypt.

Stop spreading misinformation.

Palestine, as a country, doesn't exist period! The entire notion of Palestine as a nation only surfaced in response to the attempt to establish Israel, or re-establish, the nation of Israel.

There was no nation of Palestine under British rule, there was no nation of Palestine under Ottoman rule, there was no nation of Palestine under the rule of various Islamic caliphates, and there was no ation of Palestine under Roman rule.

There was a region referred to as Palestine but before that that region was known as Israel, and believe or not there was a kingdom of Israel back then too.

But land is not ruled based on historical ownership, it is based on the victor in war taking the spoils. You only have to look at a map to see the division of land and resources is not based on anything fair.

Modern Israel won the right control those resources when it won the various wars the Palestinian people and other nations in the area launched. If Palestinians want access to them back they'll never to either win it off Israel (and perpetuate the cycle if violence) or get back round the table and negotiate peace.

has this been verified?

Wow!
Anyways can you answer why Israeli settlers continue to steal the homes and land of Palestinians to this day?

No, it’s been found to be fake news I believe.

Egypt has been warned by Israel to be bombed if they send any aid into Gaza.

Oh my goodness I wish I hadn’t clicked that link.

Leftist dogma: Religion was created and used by the capitalist class to distract, sedate, divide and rule the global working class. 'The opium of the masses'.

Meanwhile leftists themselves are of course motivated by their values and beliefs, never by a desire for power, wealth or land. God forbid. Those silly religious people just think they're motivated by their beliefs and values. They must be re-educated until they see the light. Or else they're lying about their motives. A devious bunch.

@Threemangoes

"False equivalence?
You're right you can't compare the two. One is the oppressor and the other is the oppressed."

You're finally getting it. Yes, Hamas is the oppressor of both Palestinians and Israelis. Their threats to annihilate an entire country and kill all Jews is indeed the act of an oppressor. Putting measures in place to stop terrorists from killing your people is a sensible move by the oppressed who don't want to be murdered by their neighbour.

Regardless of what one thinks about the legitimacy of the Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land, Hamas are disgusting. The fact that they're now in their 18th year of a 5 year term should be sufficient proof in itself.

has this been verified?

Yes. Similar reports on all the mainstream news outlets plus more graphic stuff on twitter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67065205.amp

I feel sick to my stomach. Wtf drives a person to do that. Animals. There’s just not words to describe how disgusting they are.

So do the threats justify genocide of Palestinians? How has that worked for Israel so far? Killing and stealing land because Hamas keeps threatening is okay?
Do you agree with this? Do you agree to keep Palestine occupied stave and dyhydrate because of Hamas? Do you agree with the war crimes of Israel right now?

@SnowflakeCity

If the police came to my door, took my 16 year old son, refused him to have a guardian present, refused him legal aid, beat him, sexually abused him, starved him, blind folded him, kept him sleep deprived, put him in an actual cage yes I would consider that kidnapping

But this is a made up scenario.

Your 16 year old son isn't a terrorist. They aren't going to people's doors and taking teenagers willy nilly are they?

They are being arrested for terrorism - almost definitely in the act of it

Blockading a group of people so that they're deprived of medicine, food supplies, and water is a war crime and a crime against humanity in any circumstances.

Depriving Palestinians of food, water and electricity while ensuring they can't get out (bombing the Egyptian border and the route towards it) is genocide. It has got nothing to do with defending Israel.

There will be a tribunal in the Hague some day for it if Israel doesn't stop in the next 48 hours.

Yes, wink wink, Israel only arrest terrorists, wink wink, they don't arrest every day Palestinians as a tool of oppression, wink wink wink wink.

Right now if British people don't condemn their politicians for siding with Israel and supporting it's tyranny on Palestine then British people have no right to complain when displaced Palestinians will arrive here for refuge.

@Tinklyheadtilt

There might have been a few, but it was vastly Arab populated land. he whole rationale for the state of Israel was the fact that Jews from EUROPE needed a homeland away from persecution

No it wasn't.

Jews were being just as badly persecuted in the Middle East.

@Threemangoes

What genocide? The only people attempting genocide are Hamas. Israel has defended itself from terrorists intent on its destruction and who have a stated aim of killing all Jews. Hamas proved that by their actions last weekend. Look up "genocide" in a decent dictionary as I'm not sure you understand what it actually means.

It has also been denied by the Israeli army and an ISRAELI journalist who visited the settlement himself

https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1712038436910055925

But don't let that stop you from believing it definitely happened.

OK, now you're talking! What do you mean? Where are Israeli settlers stealing homes? The blockades I can understand. I don't like it, but the Israelis decided this was the only way to stop Hamas gaining strength - the North did the same to the South during the US Civil War. What I'm trying to understand is why the Palestinians won't negotiate. Do they just not trust Israel to stick to an agreement? Do they think Israel is just greedy and will carry on trying to take land/houses etc. away from the Palestinians? Why the refusal to compromise?