To be sickened by Hamas

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AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens?

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days.

It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them.

I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying.

I am struggling to process these recent events.

OK.

Enjoy your bonnet full of bees.

Hmmm, so just another bit of history repeating itself, will we ever learn?

I just watched the video of a baby being roughly passed around?

This is just about the most unpleasant thread I've seen in a long time. Personal and very rude insults flying. Deeply unpleasant.

@SnowflakeCity

I'm in Ireland so the equivalent is the UK army taking away my son who is a 16 year old child for throwing stones

Wow.

So if you swap roles in this little narrative and instead of your child being the poor, gun wielding terrorist, and instead your child is the innocent one at a festival listening to some music who gets short dead in cold blood - would that still be the equivalent of "throwing stones"?

I honestly don't know how your insides don't hurt from the pretzeling. Some of these posts are just wild!

Why on earth would they allow it? If some external (I know, arguable in itself as the Brits were hardly external) force rocked up and asked you to hand over 20% of your landmass to a bunch of incomers, what would your reaction be?

I know what mine would be.

Again, that's not an answe to the question I asked.

If Palestine happened to have military superiority over Israel what do you think the outcome would be? Peace or would the roles just be reversed?

They're more or less two sides of the same coin. The major difference is that Israeli leaders are not committed to the complete eradication of Arabs or Muslims, whereas Palestinian leadership is committed to the obliteration of Israel and Jews.

You can call people wild, batshit, ask people if they are paid by iran, spread misinformation and twist words to suit your preconceptions. We don’t have to agree with you. Most people are just saying that there needs to be consideration for Palestinian civilians in all this and that Israeli government is not right in their actions. People have a right to express their opinions whether you like ir or not.

Sis, even they are not denying it anymore 😂

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w

@BigBillyButterBollocks

Blockading a group of people so that they're deprived of medicine, food supplies, and water is a war crime and a crime against humanity in any circumstances.

"Depriving Palestinians of food, water and electricity while ensuring they can't get out (bombing the Egyptian border and the route towards it) is genocide. It has got nothing to do with defending Israel.

There will be a tribunal in the Hague some day for it if Israel doesn't stop in the next 48 hours"

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Actually Israel cutting off electricity to Gaza severely reduces Hamas military ability to operate, communicate and wage war on Israel.

This is not a war crime it is established military doctrine or if you think differently then that would make the Dambusters raid on Mohne equally a war crime.

That Twitter feed shows his interest

It needs external fact check outside that

Not sure what you’re saying here. The people of Gaza haven’t elected Hamas - there haven’t been democratic elections there since 2007.

I mean sure, killing everyone in Gaza will kill those who are Hamas member, sure. But that is a genocide.

Both sides threw out the rule book long ago, I think we can agree on that. They're prepared to use whatever tactic they think will strengthen their own position and if anybody questions it they'll say "but Israel"/"but Hamas". The difference is, Israel is winning, but prepared to negotiate. Hamas is losing, keeps refusing to negotiate, keeps committing acts of terrorism against Israel, and then keeps appealing for Western sympathy because "but Israel are oppressing us!". It's just impossible to support Palestine while Hamas are in charge.

That was exactly my point. The fact that Hamas continue to rule Gaza without allowing free elections is evidence of how bad they are, regardless of one's position on Jewish and Arab claims to the land.

The fact that the Israeli army said that they haven't heard about beheaded babies is not enough?

The fact that no one can point me to an official source from the Israeli government or Military denouncing the atrocities (sure enough they would?) or even mentioning it? The only 2 news outlet/journalist who have directly contacted the army both said the army said they can't confirm?

The only source seems to be one journalist, who then seemed less sure after and from there, it spread like fire, on article citing the last.

@Daftasabroom

This whole Jews were there first as an argument for ethnic cleansing could be used to justify almost any cultural aggression throughout history, and has been

There is some weapons grade gaslighting going on here.

My comment that Jews were there first was responding to someone else saying "WAAHHH, IT was the Palestinians Land!!!!"

It is factual, they were there first, a big chunk were always there and around the Arab world and they are ALSO entitled to a home where they are not dhimmi.

There are two options which are reasonable for people to live peacefully:

1. LIVE TOGETHER WITH PRINCIPLES OF EQUALITY

Tried this, Arabs would not do it. They had "might" and more people and rule so they forced Jews to live as Dhimmi and ritually degraded them, stripped them of property, expelled them on a whim from their homes and regularly massacred them.

So Jews would have been perfectly happy to do that, but Arabs were NOT. Important to note here that when Jews DID get their own country, they let Arabs live in it with equal status!

So then you move to option 2

1. SHARE THE LAND IN TWO SEPERATE STATES

Jews were totally happy to do that too, Arabs completely refused and have said they will ONLY accept Israel not being recognised at all and them having complete dominance.

Those are the very simple facts and anything else is just window dressing. People need to accept Jews have a right to be there and Palestinians will have to accept it, stop trying to bloody kill them, and then and only then can war end.

And oh PLEASE with the "ethnic cleansing". Jews were ethnic cleansed. Their populations wiped out in almost every Arab country. Palestinians have grown in population at an exponential rate. There is double the number in Israel vs when we started!

Jews don't want to ethnically cleanse anyone. They don't want dominance. They are happy for 99% to belong to Arabs. They just want them to fuck off and leave them along and just for 30 seconds try and stop killing them.

Which part specifically was not correct and why? Please don't speak in generalisations - if you are saying something is incorrect, you have to say exactly what

@LemonyTicket In the Arab countries they [Zionists] lived pretty grim lives for a very long time but from 1930 onwards it started to get unlivable and so they made the choice to move to a place where they had rights and could own land equally.

Move to a place = invasion, colonisation and ethnic cleansing. It's not like they spent a couple of months on Rightmove before giving they're conveyancer a call.

I'm bowing out of this now. Appalled by the apologists for atrocities on here attempting to justify the disgusting actions of Hamas. I naively assumed that some things are simply too horrific to be defended; and yet here they are.

I mean sure, killing everyone in Gaza will kill those who are Hamas member, sure. But that is a genocide.

@BigBillyButterBollocks
How can you say Israeli are doing genocide when they're also not the ones taking hostages and indiscriminately killing everyone? So easy to switch Hamas/Palestine to Israel:

I mean sure, killing everyone in Israel will kill those who are Israel military member, sure. But that is a genocide.

Bottom line: if no Hamas attacks happened, nobody on either side would have died

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/human-rights-council-hears-that-700000-israeli-settlers-are-living-illegally-in-the-occupied-west-bank-meeting-summary-excerpts/

You linked a journalist not the Israeli army

Did you look at his feed?

@1dayatatime By the way, I am reporting for promoting war crimes (as the UN chief himself said the Gaza siege was). I hope that Mumsnet gets strict with the promotion of a genocide against Gazans. It is unacceptable it is being allowed.

@Pollyputhekettleon It's a mainstream leftist view.

Support of Hamas is absolutely not a mainstream left wing view, you're being utterly ridiculous now.