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Lieblingsessen · 2023-10-09T18:19:49+00:00

I do not condone whatsoever what the Hamas attacks on civilians in Israel or their ideology But surely, Israel laying siege to Gaza, preventing innocent civilians from accessing water, food, medicines, electricity for hospital equipment, is not justifiable. To collectively punish civilians who have no control over what Hamas or their government does. This is medieval. Where is the outcry on the mainstream media about this? Surely it is not being anti-semitic to call out Israel, that retaliation is not unexpected, but collective punishment is horrendous.

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:23

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/10/2023 19:20

I've supported the Palestinians for years. I've had massive arguments on here about it especially during the 2014 invasion.
I thought Hamas were an organisation of freedom fighters being tarred as terrorists to suit a narrative.

The footage I saw over the weekend completely changed my view. I've seen how Hamas really do want to kill every Jewish person they can lay their hands on. The level of barbarity they have stooped to, against women, girls, babies and the elderly, is like something from a nightmare. They filmed up, they uploaded it, they looked they were were having fun. They are as bad as Isis.

If I said I hate every Irish because of the IRA somebody would say that is stupid because not every Irish person supported the IRA. Same for the Palestinians.

Pollyputhekettleon · 10/10/2023 19:23

Twillow · 10/10/2023 19:22

You'd think a race of people who'd experienced statelessness would have more empathy, wouldn't you.

Have you come up with a system to measure empathy levels by race? Do share.

EasternStandard · 10/10/2023 19:23

Twillow · 10/10/2023 19:22

You'd think a race of people who'd experienced statelessness would have more empathy, wouldn't you.

Can you have empathy for a poster who is likely in shock?

LastTrainEast · 10/10/2023 19:23

SinkingSilently · 10/10/2023 18:25

I don’t see how anyone can kill children, and live with themselves but also think that their god will be ok with that. It blows my mind.

Well most gods like killing children. Jehovah drowned all those children in his flood and then went around Egypt killing the oldest child in each house.

With a role model like that you can't expect too much from people.

Look up the war with the Canaanites (as described in the bible)

BigBillyButterBollocks · 10/10/2023 19:24

VisaWoes · 10/10/2023 19:19

You are crackers. That’s a gross misrepresentation. It’s the most densely populated area in the world. People crammed in. The majority can’t leave. Even before recent events 70% didn’t have access to a sewage network. The majority live in abject poverty and rely on aid.

by all means blame Hamas but it’s not the fault of the million kids that live there.

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But they can eat olives! And watch tv! Why would they complain? How could you accuse Israel of depriving them from basic human rights?

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/10/2023 19:24

And as for Amnesty, they spend more time on twitter twatting on about trans rights than sticking to their remit.

AUserNameIsNot · 10/10/2023 19:24

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:05

Well Israel will do and that is what you are advocating for. Unless you think no innocents will get killed in the bombings? Lots of kids there. Don't pretend you aren't advocating genocide.

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We're not aiming at children.

Genocide, remember, is the deliberate attempt to destroy a people. What we are trying to do is destroy a government of terrorists who attacked us.

Are only rich white people allowed to do that in countries far away, or do we have your permission to protect ourselves from our lovely neighbours?

BigBillyButterBollocks · 10/10/2023 19:25

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/10/2023 19:24

And as for Amnesty, they spend more time on twitter twatting on about trans rights than sticking to their remit.

Not happy they called Israel out, huh?

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:26

EasternStandard · 10/10/2023 19:23

Can you have empathy for a poster who is likely in shock?

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I would kindly suggest a thread like this is not the place for them then.

AUserNameIsNot · 10/10/2023 19:26

BigBillyButterBollocks · 10/10/2023 19:24

But they can eat olives! And watch tv! Why would they complain? How could you accuse Israel of depriving them from basic human rights?

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Oh, we have to look after the plumbing as well. Human rights, see.

Mustardseed86 · 10/10/2023 19:27

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:26

I would kindly suggest a thread like this is not the place for them then.

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Or maybe you could read and empathise?

Alika · 10/10/2023 19:27

AUserNameIsNot · 10/10/2023 19:24

We're not aiming at children.

Genocide, remember, is the deliberate attempt to destroy a people. What we are trying to do is destroy a government of terrorists who attacked us.

Are only rich white people allowed to do that in countries far away, or do we have your permission to protect ourselves from our lovely neighbours?

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"You" are aiming at children. It's very blatantly obvious to many people on the outside that the aim is the destruction of Gaza. Terrorism carried out by a government is still terrorism. It's still genocide.
Or does Hamas just happen to have offices in every tower block, house, hospital and school that has been bombed?

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/10/2023 19:27

Not happy they called Israel out, huh?

Until the weekend I would have agreed with them on that. I've literally had a total change of perspective after what I've seen.
But when they got on the identity politics bandwagon, they stopped being a serious organisation. They certainly stopped caring about women and girls, which is about in keeping with many of the responses on this thread as well.

ketchup07070 · 10/10/2023 19:27

@SomeCatFromJapan I agree, but I can't condemn all Palestinians to death because of it. The brutality of Hamas is heart breaking and shocking, but it seems a simmering pot of resentments and hatred in the holy land altogether.

AUserNameIsNot · 10/10/2023 19:27

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:26

I would kindly suggest a thread like this is not the place for them then.

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I'm touched by your empathy and understanding.

StowOnTheWold · 10/10/2023 19:27

ketchup07070 · 10/10/2023 18:41

It's true Israel should be able to win quickly, if no one else gets involved. Europe may then need to deal with 2 million refugees, unless Israel has some plan to repair where they live.

Why Europe? Why not the Middle East? Plenty of land there.

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 10/10/2023 19:28

@Pollyputhekettleon.. At the risk of sounding fastidious Google it..
Google human rights gaza etc and how hammas presented themselves as forces of good and change and then slowly and suddenly tried to taliban use them

BigBillyButterBollocks · 10/10/2023 19:28

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 10/10/2023 19:17

I've seen references that people voted for change, any change in rather than for hammas.

Can they even read? I don't know if women can vote and whether they are allowed free votes. I think there is only one or a handful of female hammas politicians.

And how can they get rid of hammas?

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Yes. Palestinians can read. And women can vote. They have the same rights as men.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/10/2023 19:28

Read about the terrible plight of Palestinians out of Gaza

I have done - widely - and while some of it is certainly the Israeli regime's doing, what comes across most of all is Hamas's complete neglect of their own people in favour of killing

The way Israel treat Palestinians has NOTHING to do with Hamas. The whole situation is the reason Hamas exist

As others have explained very eloquently even the briefest reading of the relevant history shows this to be untrue, but I acknowledge it's a predictable handle to hang "everything's Israel's fault" on

It also ignores that, back when some sort of negotiation was thought possible, Israel demonstrated good faith by honouring their commitment to withdraw from Gaza, suggesting that with proper engagement there just may be potential for movement on other occupied areas. Sadly, however, that's off the table for now and is likely to remain so until Hamas are got rid of

EasternStandard · 10/10/2023 19:29

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:26

I would kindly suggest a thread like this is not the place for them then.

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It can be if that is how they’re processing, it’s really anyone’s decision if they post or not

I’m not in that position but I can see it must be very hard

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:29

Mustardseed86 · 10/10/2023 19:27

Or maybe you could read and empathise?

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How can I emphasise with someone who said they don't care if children get killed?

Alika · 10/10/2023 19:29

ginandtonicwithlimes · 10/10/2023 19:26

I would kindly suggest a thread like this is not the place for them then.

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I wouldn't be kind in suggesting it. The lack of humanity a certain poster has shown is genuinely terrifying.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 10/10/2023 19:30

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/10/2023 19:28

Read about the terrible plight of Palestinians out of Gaza

I have done - widely - and while some of it is certainly the Israeli regime's doing, what comes across most of all is Hamas's complete neglect of their own people in favour of killing

The way Israel treat Palestinians has NOTHING to do with Hamas. The whole situation is the reason Hamas exist

As others have explained very eloquently even the briefest reading of the relevant history shows this to be untrue, but I acknowledge it's a predictable handle to hang "everything's Israel's fault" on

It also ignores that, back when some sort of negotiation was thought possible, Israel demonstrated good faith by honouring their commitment to withdraw from Gaza, suggesting that with proper engagement there just may be potential for movement on other occupied areas. Sadly, however, that's off the table for now and is likely to remain so until Hamas are got rid of

Once again, anyone who denies the apartheid can't really be taken seriously.

SideBob · 10/10/2023 19:30

@Alika terrorism has a certain definition. Children dying in air strikes is horrific.

But the motivation is not purely to slaughter babies and children and cause as much pain and suffering as they humanly can.

Air strikes could be a war crime under the Geneva convention but its not terrorise in the same way.

AUserNameIsNot · 10/10/2023 19:31

Alika · 10/10/2023 19:27

"You" are aiming at children. It's very blatantly obvious to many people on the outside that the aim is the destruction of Gaza. Terrorism carried out by a government is still terrorism. It's still genocide.
Or does Hamas just happen to have offices in every tower block, house, hospital and school that has been bombed?

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Well we must have pretty rotten aim.

Reality check: only one side in the conflict targets unarmed children.