Collective Punishment - No water, no food, no medicines

[Lieblingsessen]

I do not condone whatsoever what the Hamas attacks on civilians in Israel or their ideology

But surely, Israel laying siege to Gaza, preventing innocent civilians from accessing water, food, medicines, electricity for hospital equipment, is not justifiable. To collectively punish civilians who have no control over what Hamas or their government does. This is medieval.

Where is the outcry on the mainstream media about this? Surely it is not being anti-semitic to call out Israel, that retaliation is not unexpected, but collective punishment is horrendous.

Lord have mercy. The ugly truth is coming out. Someone needs to step up and protect Palestinians before the irreparable is done.

Israel won't stop unless it is stopped.

The bottom line is the shit is about to really hit the fan in the Middle East. An unstable situation is now evolving.

I must say it’s very much in Russia’s interests - the timing is in itself very very convenient.
But that aside this situation needs to be contained urgently. I am not even so worried about this - but the much wider implications which could lead to something far far worse.

Of course this is an horrific attack but there is a distinct feeling of a loss of control and knowing the endgame here that should be a major concern to everyone in the world.

Do you not see the wider perspective on this? It’s not about 2 million potential refugees. This could blow up into world war 3 very very easily. The land invasion is a given - if it stops there that will be a blessing.

Are we also responsible for arranging for counseling sessions for any emotional trauma the gunmen may have experienced as they committed widespread atrocities?

Is there any aspect of Palestinians lives you think they should take responsibility for?

This thread is turning my stomach. I've written posts, then deleted them because I really don't have the words to describe how callous and awful some people attitudes are.

So nobody openly admits to funding Hamas - but you think they're somehow going to come out in support of Palestine and fight, to start WW3?
The other thing is... it was called a 'world war' because of fighting on almost every land, no idea how a fight between 2 middle Eastern countries (of which there have been multiple) is going to result in world war.

Especially as the colonies were the reason for fighting outside Europe. Certainly not the case now.

Well maybe Hamas should have spent some of the funding they recieve from Iran or some of that aid money on building infrastructure to help meet the needs of their people instead of trying to kill Israelis.

Seems like a pretty illogical stance to preach the total annihilation of your enemy and then expect them to care for your population for you.

Again I don't get it. One race experiences an attempted genocide by the Nazi's then someone from that faith is advocating another genocide on a different race. You couldn't make it help. Advocating innocent children to be killed. You are critical of the extremist Muslims but you are not making yourself look any better. Disgusting.

Israel won't stop, full stop.

If Iraqis and Syrians can have their major cities overturned to root out ISIS terrorists, so can the Palestinians. We will uproot the terrorist government of Gaza.

Well just go round and round on the land issues so no point in discussing that.

But the bottom line is the government of Gaza are committed to the obliteration of Israel and the wholesale slaughter of Jews. You cannot then expect Israel and their majority Jewish population to welcome the people living in their with open arms, or to want to help them thrive.

As I've said, if they remove Hamas and show a willingness to accept Israel as a state and maybe things would improve.

We aren't targeting civilians.

Maybe you would get it if those were your children.

Maybe not.

Do you want all Palestinians to suffer for what Hamas did, because that is what will happen

I know it wasn't me who you asked, KimberleyClark, but in the longer term the Palestinians don't have to continue suffering
All they need to do is get rid of Hamas, organise a proper government who'll engage with good faith in negotiations rather than just call for destruction and death, and the whole picture could look very different

I realise of course that getting rid of Hamas wouldn't necessarily be easy, but that's a matter for the people who elected them in the first place

I know!

"We deprived them of basic rights, harassed them, stole their land, put them in an open air prison, then make sure they did not get the basic necessities.

Why do these animals no take responsibility for themselves and why should we be called out on the way we have treated them for years.?"

Hate is ugly. Really.

The Egyptians or PA can have them if they will.

I have made my stance quite clear on this thread. I can also understand how somebody whose loved ones were just massacred (or barely escaped) might feel that way. And the prevalence of antisemitism in the Arab world (pre and post 1948!) is absolutely horrifying.

Decapitated babies, burnt bodies, women raped next to the corpses of their friends... It is shocking. And it can make one go numb.

But innocent children and civilians still would not deserve to die of dehydration in the desert.

Remembering that is what makes us ("us" being a vaguely defined collective of anybody even remotely aware of this and with enough humanity to be emotionally affected by the current situation) better than Hamas.

I just wish Hamas also cared about Palestinian children...

Well Israel will do and that is what you are advocating for. Unless you think no innocents will get killed in the bombings? Lots of kids there. Don't pretend you aren't advocating genocide.

I do not agree with this poster. But genocide?

There are considerably more Palestinians today than ever before.

Israel has not threatened to kill any of the Palestinian children (less than 200) currently in Israeli custory.

Hamas threatens the murder of their child hostages.
Hamas has just decapitated babies, raped women next to their friends´ corpses, tortured innocent civilians.

This is getting enraging.

Read about the terrible plight of Palestinians out of Gaza. The way Israel treat Palestinians has NOTHING to do with Hamas. The whoe situation is the reason Hamas exist.

Hamas needs to go. But let's not retend Israel was not treating Palestinians like shit anyway.

At least some of the aid money has gone to building, equipping and staffing hospitals in Gaza - but they can't provide the specialist care found in hospitals in Israel

I'm not in anyway defending Hamas - I was just trying to explain why 'send them to Egypt' isn't really a viable option

I have just had to turn off BBC News on R4. Apparently, the Israelis are taking journalists to the sites of some of the attacks by Hamaz.

I do hope those same journalists will request a similar visit to Gaza .

Can anyone explain to me why Hamas has apparently attacked Egypt in the past? Someone said that's one of the reasons why Egypt restricts access from Gaza into Egypt. I googled it but it's swamped with current news results.

They elected hammas because they promised change and their gov was corrupt.
Best of a bad bunch at the time.
I struggle to to believe they voted for dictatorship though who would never allow them to vote again?

Now they live in terror and fear and as usual women and girls are the bottom of this heap.

@AUserNameIsNot has pretty much said they don't care if they (Palestinians) all died. What else do you call that?

Well allow me to educate you. US gun boats are there already, more on the way and they are going in. Iran and other countries are firmly in the Hamas camp. I believe Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Lebanon, Bahrain to name a few are with Palestine. Hezbollah are ready to join the cause.

I am assuming you know that Israel have the support of Europe, India, US, U.K. etc if you can’t see the danger of escalation then perhaps do some further historical research.

Surely the journalists are mostly not suicidal? You'd hope not anyway.