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It’s not my fault he didn’t knock?!

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PottyPet · 03/10/2023 09:31

We’re trying to sell our house and DP organised someone to come and do a valuation today. There was no specified time. At 7.50am, I get a string of text messages from DP saying the valuer was coming between 8am - 9am. We have a 4 week old baby who was up all night and I hadn’t even got out of bed yet. The house was in no way tidy, clean or suitable for anyone to value or view! I asked if it was possible that the valuer could rearrange for later, DP said he could not.

I then start running around trying to tidy the house whilst having a screaming crying baby who wants feeding and a nappy change in between. At 8am I get a text from DP saying the valuer is there (there was no knock at the door, only DP letting me know). I ask DP if the valuer can come back a bit later as the baby needs sorting out and the house is in no way ready. He says the valuer needs to do it this morning but will wait a bit and I’m to let him in.

45 minutes later, I’m still running around trying to get things in the house sorted (thankfully baby is fed and changed by this point)! DP comes back from the school run and goes mad saying the valuer has been waiting since 8am and is very angry and annoyed… except he never knocked at the door! He didn’t knock when he arrived at 8am or any of the duration where he was waiting and getting annoyed. Apparently I was supposed to just let him in when I and the house was ready.

AIBU to think this is ridiculous and it’s the valuers own fault for not knocking?!

OP posts:
PeachCastle · 05/10/2023 01:36

In your first post you claimed "there was no specified time". In a subsequent post you stated the appointment was "midday to 1pm". So which of your conflicting accounts is actually true OP?

Either way, you knew what day it would be. Given that the tidiness of the house mattered so much to you that you were happy to keep him waiting for nearly an hour, why didn't you tidy it the day before? You reek of PFB entitlement.

Crazyworldwelivein · 05/10/2023 01:50

PeachCastle · 05/10/2023 01:36

In your first post you claimed "there was no specified time". In a subsequent post you stated the appointment was "midday to 1pm". So which of your conflicting accounts is actually true OP?

Either way, you knew what day it would be. Given that the tidiness of the house mattered so much to you that you were happy to keep him waiting for nearly an hour, why didn't you tidy it the day before? You reek of PFB entitlement.

Agreed!

spitefulandbadgrammar · 05/10/2023 04:36

PeachCastle · 05/10/2023 01:36

In your first post you claimed "there was no specified time". In a subsequent post you stated the appointment was "midday to 1pm". So which of your conflicting accounts is actually true OP?

Either way, you knew what day it would be. Given that the tidiness of the house mattered so much to you that you were happy to keep him waiting for nearly an hour, why didn't you tidy it the day before? You reek of PFB entitlement.

It’s her partner’s house, why didn’t he tidy it the day before? “PFB entitlement” isn’t a thing; recovering from a C-section while caring for a screaming newborn with a partner who tells her to focus on tidying the house pre-8am instead of cancelling his appointment is.

Ukrainebaby23 · 05/10/2023 07:26

PottyPet · 03/10/2023 12:27

@androidnotapple The surgeon who did my c-section said no driving for 6 weeks.

Pretty standard advice post c section, no driving for 6 weeks.
Mine was uncomplicated and I drove at 2 weeks as DH was unwell, but the risk is that you can't brake/steer correctly due to discomfort and therefore its considered best to avoid.

ChristmasFluff · 05/10/2023 08:59

The advice post- C-section is no driving for 6 weeks, because if there's an accident, no surgeon wants to be held responsble for damages if he said someone was safe to drive at 2 weeks and it turns out they were incapable of an emergency stop.

And it sounds like OP wasn't the one who wanted the house tidy, it was her husband (read the OPs follow-up giving his texts).

Within 6 weeks of giving birth, and having abdominal surgery (which is what a caesarian is), the DH and the valuer could both fuck off as far as I am concerned. OP has enough on her plate with a newborn. NOT a PFB thing, just a recognition that some babies are utterly draining.

What a shame OP expected posters on MN to have some sympathy for a new mother recuperating from surgery!

Hibiscrubbed · 05/10/2023 18:54

Well, I think your H is a prick, for what it’s worth. He cocked up the booking, he gave you ten minutes notice and demanded you make the whole house tidy before letting him in when you’ve had a csection, he did this when you’d been up with your newborn in the night, and he then had a go at you for leaving the man outside.

He’s ridiculous

ellyeth · 05/10/2023 22:39

Why are some people so nasty and judgmental on Mumsnet? It's obvious it was a misunderstanding on the OP's part - and anyway the valuer should have knocked at the door to make his presence known.

And her husband was unreasonable to agree to this, especially after an appointment for 1pm had originally been arranged.

VortexOfDisaster · 06/10/2023 07:21

Astounded at the nastiness of some of the responses here, it is totally uncalled for.

Even taking the four-weeks past difficult birth plus crying newborn out of the picture, nobody needs to be told at 7.50 am that there’s an estate agent at the door to value the house.

@PottyPet, your husband was a total dick. The mess-up on the time was between him and the Estate Agents, it wasn’t for you to fix. The automatic appointment time is neither here nor there, as that was the estate agent’s fuck up. Clearly your DP was able to communicate with the estate agent, as he was able to ask him to hang on while you got ready. Instead, of course he should have told him to come back at the previously agreed time. If the estate agent argued that he could only do it then, your dp should have firmly reminded him that the appointment was for 1-2, and if the agency could not take responsibility for their own cock-up, then he would be taking his business elsewhere.

If the estate agent really deserves to even be shortlisted for a contract, they should be bending over backwards to make you happy at this early stage. In my experience, the (almost inevitable) dropping of the ball (and frequently being a bit thick…) happens after the contract is signed.

You are the client, you call the shots. Letting a stranger into your home at 8 am when you feel undressed, unprepared, and conscious of personal mess about the place, is not calling the shots. Neither is pressuring your wife, who is nursing a newborn, to prioritise tidying for a wrong appointment time, over her and the baby’s wellbeing.

In fact, that pressuring you to “prioritise the house” when you were not fully dressed yourself, and had a crying baby to attend to, struck me as being particularly callous, disrespectful, and unfeeling. Your DP was being incredibly unreasonable by putting this pressure on you, and you would have been entirely in your rights to say “fuck off and re-arrange it, moran”, and then turn off your phone and take care of your baby in peace.

Given that this valuation was for marketing and not for a mortgage, there was absolutely no reason why it had to happen that day at all, after they messed up the time. Even if it had been for a mortgage, if they messed up the previously agreed time, the onus is still on the surveyor to re-arrange (although, I might be a little more polite and compromising about it with a mortgage surveyor! 😂).

I’ve had a lot of experience selling, moving, letting etc and I’m not a massive fan of estate agents. A lot of them are pushy arseholes who promise you the moon and the stars until you sign on the dotted line, and then they start to seriously take the piss - I’ve often wondered if there is a secret estate agent competition to see how many ways they can fuck up. Many I’ve dealt with are not the brightest sparks either… (don’t bother accusing me of being rude, I don’t care, and have the lived experience to back this opinion up!).

Sitting in your car for 45 minutes waiting for a prospective client (with a newborn) to come and find you isn’t exactly smart behaviour. Neither is telling someone (who your agency has just messed around with arranging an appointment at the wrong time) that you can’t re-arrange an appointment for a listing that you are seeking to get a contract for. If the Estate Agent is not pulling out all the stops right now, then they are not going to go that extra mile to get you the best offer after you sign the contract either. Tell them either they rearrange, or you’ll just book a valuation with someone else.

I see you are a first time buyer. You should both remember that you are the client. After a successful sale, you’ll be paying the estate agent a hefty percentage of the sale price. They should earn that by giving you an excellent and respectful service. You should never feel you have to accommodate mistakes that are the agency’s fault, particularly before they’ve even convinced you they are worth doing business with. Remember also to get at least three valuations, and interview the agent about what exactly they will do for you and how the house will be marketed. If it’s a relationship that’s going to work, you need to feel confident they will go that extra mile.

I completely understand why you wouldn’t want to let someone in to look around the house when you’re half dressed and the place is a mess. You’ve already been blindsided by a re-arranged appointment, and now you’re being asked to set aside your dignity too. It was an unreasonable ask, and I don’t see how anyone could argue otherwise. Despite the self-satisfied claims from some of the posters who’ve advocated they would just open the door and let him in - personal items and mess notwithstanding - most people would not be comfortable about doing this in reality.

And also the reality is, the initial valuation is often not a quick visit. Estate agents often use this first valuation contact to sit down and give you a hard sell, trying to get you to commit to them exclusively before they even leave the house. I’d either want to be in the right frame of mind to deal firmly with this, or expect my husband to be there too, especially if he wants to be involved in the decision of which agent to chose.

There’s also a bewildering amount of sympathy for the estate agent on this thread. Maybe I’m biased, but why?

The agency is looking for a commission and wants the Op’s business. The agency messed up the appointment. The agent himself might not have been at fault for that, but as his agency’s representative, he needs to take responsibility and find a solution that works for the client. Insisting the appointment needed to go ahead was wrong, and I can’t decide, to be honest, whether sitting in the car for 45 minutes, or standing on the doorstep for that time without knocking, is more stupid.

Don’t feel bad about not checking outside the door @PottyPet. Why should you check? You’ve enough on your plate without babysitting an estate agent (who wasn’t even standing there anyway, so you were right not to assume he was!). If he can’t figure out what to do (which, frankly, should have been to apologise profusely and re-arrange), then he’s not got enough initiative to sell your house either. He sounds like an idiot.

So, in summary, you are definitely not being unreasonable, and don’t let anyone tell you that you are. Your DP behaved like an arse and should be ashamed of the lack of respect he showed for you and the baby; his expectations of you tidying the house in a few minutes, prioritising this over your own dignity and the baby’s wellbeing, and accommodating the estate agent’s mistake were very unreasonable. And keep looking for an estate agent - this one doesn’t sound client-centred. Flowers

Melm22 · 07/10/2023 07:09

You should avoid driving for at least 6 weeks after your caesarean, and will need to contact your insurance company for more information about when you can return to driving.
Pretty standard OP for 6 weeks. Tbf I think your husband was inconsiderate to both you and the baby. Definitely need to run plans by one another so you can both be happy with them. Although newborn may have other ideas haha! Hope the valuation went as well as expected.
Congratulations on the baby too, precious times 🥰

Autumnleaves89 · 07/10/2023 08:31

The handmaidens are out in force today I see.
OP you’re not being unreasonable. Your partner is massively unreasonable.
Please ignore every nasty spiteful little arsehole in this thread whose lives are so sad that they have to get their kicks by spitting bile at frazzled new mums who have just had major surgery. Not dressed and feeding a baby, I wouldn’t have let him in either. The valuer should be annoyed at your husband.
Everyone being vile to the OP, have a word with yourself. Embarrassing.

Yalta · 07/10/2023 10:43

I think the fault lies in the system your dh booked through.

If you request an appointment at a certain time and it then comes up with a different time it should allow you to either cancel the booking (I mean if no one is at home at that time then no one would answer the door and the valuer would have to come back
Either that or it should only show when you can book an appointment

Having said that. There is something very off about arriving at someone’s house and calling someone who they know isn’t inside to tell them to call who ever is inside to let them know they have arrived and needs to open the front door instead of just going up to the door and knocking

Had this before with valuers I think it is peculiar. I have watched a guy get completely flustered when I told dh to call him back and tell him to knock on the door if he was actually there. The body language was hilarious given the task. It was though I had said to do a hand stand and knock on the door using his toes to use the knocker..

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