To be profoundly saddened by this story

[Changeditforyou]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12565699/Police-rush-scene-incident-outside-busy-Croydon-shopping-centre.html

They tell us to help our daughters to protect themselves from male violence by thinking about what they wear, how much they drink, how late to stay out, where they go…
Are we supposed to add to the list ‘not rejecting a bunch of flowers in case you get stabbed to death’. This is horrifying.

I’m so so sick of male violence. It feels everywhere and inescapable. More luck than anything that your daughter isn’t the one. This poor girl and her family.

Yes

Young Tia Sharp

I watched a documentary last night about the murder of Alice Ruggles in 2016, she was murdered by a ex boyfriend because she wouldn't take him back even though he was the one that had cheated throughout the relationship. I was furious that a man killed an innocent woman because she wouldn't accept his awful behaviour and as a Mother of Sons i asked myself what are we doing wrong in the way we raise our sons. Is it because we women work and do the vast majority of household chore and childcare that they see us as "staff" or is it that they see the male role as far more important because they see their fathers sitting on their arses after work like Kings while us woman run after them ? Is it that many sons don't have a male role model. All through the night i shifted from anger to deep sadness. Now today brings the awful, unacceptable and downright Evil murder of a young girl on her way to school by what seems to be an ex boyfriend. I really don't know what needs to happen in our society before our Government, Judges and Police officers get of their backsides and stop this happening.
What i do know is that us women and girls need to take to the streets of every city in the land and demand something is done. Please let today be the turning point.

You’re way off. The school in question is not a ‘white’ school.

It was the grandma's boyfriend that killed poor Tia x

5 years? For murdering someone? I sincerely hope for a lot longer than that.

Don’t be ridiculous.

Exactly this is misogyny through and through.

I don’t think class or race have anything to do with it and I haven’t seen any comments on the characteristics of this poor girl. The Croydon independents are quite diverse racially so this is idle speculation. Heartbroken for her family I can’t imagine how this must feel.

I hope the pp means 25 years not 5. Or life. Sounds like totally premeditated and at 17 that is extreme violence unlikely to get better!

@themonkeysnuts 5 years ?
I think you misspelled "life".
He should go away for life. Actual life.

It always concerns me what was missed in the lead up to this. How can he have been so angry he couldn’t cope and thought it was ok to kill her. They are both children. Angry men need to deal with their emotions in the correct way. Seriously concerned for his upbringing to think this was normal. The poor girl and her family.

What do you mean a massive fallout? Is there some kind of rivalry between these 2 areas?

As far as I understand it, misogyny is not a crime.

Let that sink in.

We accept a really high level of sexual harassment, abuse, violence and murder against females.

My daughter was being hit by a boy (both tweens) everyday.
I spoke to head teacher (male) in front of my daughter and he asked her if she thought the boy might have feelings for her with a coy smile. The headteacher said that.

The belief females exist for men’s decoration/ ownership is rife.
All of our children receive this message everyday growing up.

@Fuckthatguy
I assume you’ve tagged the wrong person?

At the same school a year later, a different boy was threatening girls that he had a knife and would kill them and their mothers.

One girl in particular was so traumatised that she refused school, started sleeping her mothers room and was eventually sectioned. She was 11 at the time.

The school did…. Nothing. Same headteacher simply started to pressure the mother about absence record.

It's absolutely shocking. I was born and grew up in Croydon., and haven't lived there for over 40 years. The centre of Croydon has changed beyond recognition since I was young.

My daughter was being hit by a boy (both tweens) everyday.
I spoke to head teacher (male) in front of my daughter and he asked her if she thought the boy might have feelings for her with a coy smile. The headteacher said that

OH GOD this shit really really fucks me off - as the mother of 3 girls I've heard so often as an excuse for shit behaviour by boys. It starts young 'oh don't cry, Toby probably pulled your hair, kicked your shin, stole your ice cream because he likes you' - nah stop that NOW because it becomes 'I only hit you, spit at you, belittle you, monitor your phone, keep locked in the house because I LOVE you'.

We are both entitled to an opinion. Are you alway so rude when somebody else’s doesn’t match your own? Homicide rates have more than doubled, per million population since 1965. People have no qualms of carrying a weapon, or using it to kill when they are likely to be let off with little or no punishment.

Just read the BBC news report...it's all knife crime, Croydon, "thoughts and prayers"...

This is MEN. Male violence is the problem. It might not be all men but it's far too fucking many of them. And if you're a man and you happen to be reading this and you're not actively standing up for women and girls at every opportunity, if you're not challenging your mates when they talk sexist shit, if you're not being a role model to your sons demonstrating respect of women's and girls' boundaries and autonomy - then you're part of the fucking problem and you need to cop on.

Absolutely!

And thinking that they have a right to decide whether a female lives or dies, depending on whether she stays with him or not.

Its such an ingrained misogyny.
That a female is there solely to serve a man and if he can’t have her, no one can.

I have been called many names before and have been attacked on 2 occasions simply because I kindly said no to a random man’s advances.
Fortunately, both were on a night out so as soon as they went to attack they were pounced on.

It makes me feel sick for my DD knowing that she’s at risk or rape or death by simply walking down the street.

I just want to say, to add some balance, the whole of Croydon is not like this. I visited in the summer to stay with family and didn't come across any behaviour like this or feel threatened.

This. Its absolutely heartbreaking 💔

Exactly, I could not believe it.

He very quickly backtracked when I told my daughter what a damaging view this was , that the boys feelings good or bad are completely irrelevant, and asked the head how they would keep my child safe.

I still can’t quite believe that I heard this in a school in 2022, but then again I can.

@Sunshinenrain No.

Like another poster asked, what do you mean by this, ‘Yes they broke up and she didn’t want to get back with him but she may have changed her mind in a few weeks time. Now he’s got no chance.’

Deeply upsetting but not surprising.

The more men get to say what they are entitled to be, how they are entitled to act and as long as women and girls are told to be quiet and kind and their opinions mean nothing in comparison, then scenarios like this will only ever become more frequent.

It isn’t just how they are being raised.

Politicians endorse policies that put women back in their box so that men can shine. The justice system shows us year after year how women don’t matter. Men infiltrate womens sports and safe spaces and grab scholarships and it is celebrated - not just accepted.

You are always going to get bad apples. But the more the message seeps into the consciousness of males they are entitled and that women don’t matter, the more they will think they are, we don’t, and they can do as they please.

That poor young woman.

All because he got hurt feelings /was rejected.

How dare he take her life because he was told ‘no’.

He’ll likely be treated reasonably because he ‘snapped’, is young, deserves rehabilitation, etc.

And all this will do is to show other young boys and men that they’ll get a light sentence and also get educated/learn a trade so that they can be given a second bite at the cherry.

She won’t ever get that second bite.

All because some young man has been shown in so very many ways his entitlement comes first.

It’s not about the area. The murder of Ellie Gould was a very similar case which took place in a middle class area in Wiltshire. It’s about misogyny and male entitlement.