To be profoundly saddened by this story

[Changeditforyou]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12565699/Police-rush-scene-incident-outside-busy-Croydon-shopping-centre.html

They tell us to help our daughters to protect themselves from male violence by thinking about what they wear, how much they drink, how late to stay out, where they go…
Are we supposed to add to the list ‘not rejecting a bunch of flowers in case you get stabbed to death’. This is horrifying.

I’m so so sick of male violence. It feels everywhere and inescapable. More luck than anything that your daughter isn’t the one. This poor girl and her family.

I agree

@SofiYol yes thank you, I am safe at home. So many are not, and it’s utterly utterly unacceptable, and I also include boys in that sentiment. With the very rare exception for whatever reason, children are not born anger and violent.

Damilola Taylor’s father has issued a statement, so I imagine his family must be feeling a lot too.

It’s all so unbelievably fucking heartbreaking.

I hadn’t seen his statement, I’ll look for it now.

It all just feels so hopeless.

I cried so much when i heard about Damilola Taylor. His poor family must be reliving that.

Bloody daily mail. It should be shut down.

“Society has broken down”.

He is absolutely right.

Yes. Three words which articulate everything perfectly

All these grieving parents, and nobody can take their pain away, and all these lost children - both physically and metaphorically. It’s a fucking absolute and total decline and there seems to be no way to figure out how to even start to fix it.

Im so angry, and sad, but very angry.

Honestly, I wasn’t going to comment but you have mixed kids. Come on, do better. If my DP came out with this, I would think about leaving him. Literally spend 10 minutes on Google.

You are spectacularly missing the point. No one is sitting here feeling sorry for violent people who are breaking the law. We are all saying the problem is the vast majority of people targeted have not done anything wrong.

Stop and search does not work. You are behaving as though it results in significant weapons arrests when it doesn’t. In over 90% of cases they find nothing and no arrests are made. It is consistently shown that it’s not a deterrent and it doesn’t reduce violent crime. It does not logically make sense to continue spending time, money, energy and good will on something ineffective. All it does is appeal to a certain kind of voter.

Essentially you are arguing that it’s fine for people like your children to be racially profiled and abused (because touching someone without their consent in my book is abuse) for no real benefit. It’s counter productive because then the police don’t have the support they need to tackle the problem. If we want to protect kids spending resources on this is not the way to do it.

Yes, but the sad truth is that women and girls are murdered every day by men.

This has caught the media’s attention because she went to an expensive school. Therefore the media feels that people will relate to it more, just as they did to the murder of Sarah Everard, whose Durham education was apparently relevant. Our media is sickeningly classist.

Bloody hell is people think is more traumatising a stop and search than all the deaths now happening daily in large numbers. Anyone around can be a victim at anytime day or night. Knowing that stabbing can happen to themselves or to members of their own family and community. Then this country is doomed and beyond help. .

This isn't just about violence against women, although that is worse than ever. It's violence against everyone. Why is a 17 year old boy walking around with a machete, everyone would be in danger from him. It's sickening. Children are no longer allowed to be children, a few years of innocence and straight in with access to porn and online bullying. There have been boys stabbing incidents in Spain, the Netherlands and Sweden today. There is something happening, fuelled by social media and the likes of Tate. The latter is stirring the incel pot. Plus all the fallout from lockdown. I don't have kids. I am so glad of that. I would be worried sick.

The specific context for the crime means it is one of particular interest to women.

And I’m astounded that you’re astounded. Are you seriously telling me that you worry that you will be attacked by a man everytime you leave the house?

Why?

Statistically, the vast majority of women who are murdered are killed in their own home. Why isn’t that of particular interest?

@SweetcornFritter yes, some women are so traumatised, that’s exactly how they feel.

OK, I understand now. All men are violent fuckers who only care about themselves. Yes, that’s rational.

It’s subconscious, but yes more often than not if I’m going out alone there are certain things I do without thinking.

Carry my keys in my hand
Cross the road if a man is behind me on a quiet street
Call a friend while I walk
Keep my head down and don’t make eye contact
Dont leave my drink if I’m in a bar
Check for a council licence plate and try to remember the reg if I have to get a taxi alone at night
Arrange to text a friend to let them know I’m home safe.

All things I, and many others do, without even thinking about it because it’s just ingrained in us.

Maybe so, but I don’t believe the majority of women feel that way. A world in which most women are living their lives in constant terror of men and fearful of attack every time they leave the house is not a world I recognise, sorry.

@Namddf - yes. Women are most at risk of violence from a man they know well.

@SweetcornFritter that’s fine, but again this isn’t all about you, unlike every single one of your posts.

"Greater love has no-one than this; that she lay down her life for her friend."

Poor, brave child! I hope they throw the book at her killer.

Please point to where anybody has said that stop and search is worse than a 17 yo male child murdering a young girl with a machete.

Do not be disingenuous. There is a serious problem and deploying a proven non solution is a waste of precious resources.

Let’s hear your proposed solutions. As I do not recall this rampant knife crime killings when it was used?