To intensely dislike Keir Starmer

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I can't stand Tories.
The current Tories are the worst

But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green.

I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me.

Is it just me?

Just vote for labour anyway. That's my thinking. Got to be done.

Really?

As you pointed out, ULEZ was conceived by tories, then implemented by Labour. The expansion was planned by Tories, implemented by Labour. It is a cross party policy, as I said - so irrelevant for choosing between them.

There are lots of ideas for helping London to become less polluted, but at the moment, nothing further is planned. But a per mile charge is being looked at by both parties as a possible option.

Not sure what you mean by ‘woke’? Do you mean policies designed to help people? Address inequality? Stop favouring the 1%? Then yes, they are more likely to be Labour policies.

Their biggest donors are of course the trade unions (not just stop oil or environmental groups - they tend to fall towards the Green Party).

Trade unions are the ones that gave us workers rights such as holiday allowance, maternity pay, sick pay, rights against discrimination and poor working conditions.

I think we can all agree, that if that is ‘woke’ by your definition, it’s a good thing, can’t we?

He's not perfect but he's very intelligent and our morals align. That's enough for me to vote for him.

Also - we are not America. We vote in a party, not a president.

I don’t think he’s particularly interesting-he reminds me to John Major. I will still vote for him over the bunch of billionaire liars we have in power now.

I loathe the Conservative Party. They are self serving.

I equally loathe the Labour Party.

There’s no way I’d vote Lib Dem’s or Green.

No idea what I’m going to do.

It feels like Tufton Street have invaded mumsnet in the last few days. I wondered who is worried.

@Lastchancechica yes really. Because in reality it's them or Tories. I've voted green my whole life so this would be a tactical vote from me.

Doesn't it just?

Foul? He strikes me as a good egg. A true hardworking campaigner who actually believes in a fair society.
Have you met any Tory MP? Now, there's a foul stench.

And if you are concerned about the source of donations, have a look at the Tory list.

Billionaires, wives of Russian oligarchs, property magnates and hedge fund bosses. Exactly the kind of people you’d expect to have the average gal on the street at heart - right?

I loathe him too. I also cannot quite get over the fact that he was Corbyn’s right hand man.

YANBU

You can’t get over him working with Corbyn, the then leader of his party, and whom he has all but chucked under a bendy bus since?

But you can get over the trashing of our economy, dismantling of the NHS, cost of living crisis set against horrific cuts in benefits, profligate waste of billions of tax payer’s money and slashing of our commitments to green policies?

How baffling your priorities are to me.

He's competent and has honour. That's enough for me, after the last thirteen years.

Goodness, Tory HQ were up early.

It’s silly to think that Danny Dyer or Rachel Weisz is better equipped to be PM. Not sure what your issue is with prefects either. Sounds like you’re someone who is mainly influenced by personality and appearances.

Ha I thought mn loved him. Majority yanbu

Actually he has said he want to reopen the deal, and got short shift from the EU who have said that it’s not a priority for them, which is understandable. Like all politicians he using soundbites about things he has no power to deliver to garner interest and support. I don’t understand this entrenched ‘one party good, another party bad’ approach to politics. Most politicians who make a noise are of the same self serving disingenuous type; the system is broken.

I was waiting on Corbyn to be mentioned. Jesus Christ. You know you've ran out of meaningful debate when Corbyn is mentioned in an attack on Labour.

Keir isn't inspiring and pretty dull but I'd take dull over the self serving corrupt moral black hole of the conservatives.

This thread has given me hope and made me despair in equal measure. Time look past the 'trying to tread delicate line' and not get cancelled culture comments as that's the works we now live in. Time to see Starmer as the smart, decent, experienced man he is. Our country is in a shambles. Corrupt greedy politicians with their second jobs and greedy friends have ripped it to shreds. Time for some decency and humanity. Labour can't fix it all, certainly not off the bat, but they are the only option if we are to become a decent, humane society that has some respect in the world. Let's not sweat the small stuff, it's big picture time. Don't believe the hype.

The Tories never ever had any plans to expand ULEZ! Why do you think they won Johnson’s old seat in the elections? Despite London being a Labour stronghold?

Its the lies you come out with that is so disturbing.

No one but Labour are considering charging motorists by the mile.

No one but Labour are expanding ULEZ. It has nothing to do with the air quality, which has already been disproven, and everything to do with stealth taxes on hard working Londoners. This is going to be rolling out everywhere in the country under Labour so watch out.

Dale Vince who started just stop oil ( mainly to support his own ‘Green’ business initiatives in the Cotswolds, which have failed spectacularly but hey ho) who I know personally has donated millions to the Labour Party!

The Woke agenda is Labours devotion to trans, its lack of understanding and respect for women. Its economy ruining green policies is grossly out of touch with anyone outside the enclave of north London.

Labour accepted 1.5 million from just stop oil. Do you suppose they don’t expect a return for the money?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65764041.amp

Keir Starmer does not want people better off. He wants everyone equally poor. See who would be really affected adding VAT to private schools. It does not make sense. If that is what people want then ok. Just be aware of what you are voting for and do not say you are disappointed when he does not deliver.

He’s also wrong about everything and always late to the right decision ( as he doesn’t know what he thinks about anything or he has terrible advisors)

Or blue skies thinking we might just be ordinary voters looking at the zombie opposition 🙄

Again - WE ARE NOT AMERICA! MPs work in a party - not for a president. Of course he campaigned under JC as he is a Labour MP.