Page 3 | To intensely dislike Keir Starmer

LemonyTicket · 2023-09-26T23:42:33+00:00

I can't stand Tories. The current Tories are the worst But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green. I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me. Is it just me?

Talltall · 27/09/2023 06:01

@LemonyTicket

jeepers
he can’t say anything as that gives the right wing press longer to attack it especially as the damage of Brexit make gov borrowing predictions very difficult. So he can’t cost anything.

so why not wait.

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 06:06

I completely agree
I find him disingenuous. I don’t trust him, and because of that I have no faith in the policies.
I am amazed that this is the very best Labour could come up with after being out of power for so long! It is beyond depressing.

The fact he is still struggling to identify what a woman is - 51% of the population due to vote for him - is very insulting. It also looks like he is about to restart the brexit wars.

MistyBay · 27/09/2023 06:10

I hate all of them but that’s not an excuse to vote green. They are totally nuts.

mrscatwoman · 27/09/2023 06:11

if it really was about air quality the party would be doing loads of other things aswell, which they aren't.

They aren't in power! So sick of people saying Labour/KS haven't done things when they aren't in power and therefore massively limited, especially when the Tories have a large majority still, despite all the by-elections.

Asiatoyork · 27/09/2023 06:12

It also looks like he is about to restart the brexit wars

He confirmed there would be no move to join the EU or the EEA but the at he would not diverge on standards where it doesn’t make sense to. Much like the recent decision to stick with the European CE standard after all. Because not to do so to prove a point is stupid

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 06:13

Bingbangbongbash · 27/09/2023 05:13

ULEZ was introduced by Johnson when he was mayor and has cross party support and is popular with the majority of Londoners, as shown by poll after poll.

It isn’t about making money, it’s about saving lives by reducing London’s illegal levels of pollution.

Tories have cut disability allowance, along with every other kind of benefit in real terms.

They have also trashed the economy, wasted billions on poorly executed infrastructure projects, vanity projects and giving contracts to unqualified mates.

They have also overseen a rise in VAWG and policies that have hurt us tremendously - it seems ludicrous to ignore that.

Labour do need clarity on their policies, but I assume this will come closer to the election. At the moment the best policy is to stand back as the Tories self-destruct.

As a PP pointed out, this ridiculous ‘personality politics’ will split the vote and let the Tories sneak in again for more damage.

It’s simple - do you want things to keep getting worse? If not, we need to vote out the Tories - and that means voting Labour - it’s not enough to ‘not vote Tory’.

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Johnson introduced a very limited version of ULEZ in central London to limit the soaring pollution levels - he did NOT expand it all the way across London and into surrounding areas! That was Sadiq and Labour! And yes we all know that they intend to roll it out across the whole country. They are even talking about charging drivers by the mile - which will kill the economy stone dead.

I don’t think the public realise just how woke the labour policies are. It’s going to be really bad if they get in. Their biggest donors are activists like just stop oil, trans campaigners etc.

Everyonesliverlovesparvo · 27/09/2023 06:17

Well done OP. Try to deflect from the real issue, the abysmal governance of the Conservatives. Even if you can’t persuade folk to vote for them at least you’ll encourage them to vote Green and successfully split the left wing vote.
Give yourself a clap.

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 06:17

Asiatoyork · 27/09/2023 06:12

It also looks like he is about to restart the brexit wars

He confirmed there would be no move to join the EU or the EEA but the at he would not diverge on standards where it doesn’t make sense to. Much like the recent decision to stick with the European CE standard after all. Because not to do so to prove a point is stupid

Starmer is going to reopen the deal and ahas already proposed a migrant deal. Please stop lying. This will ignite the brexit wars, of course it will. We are going to end up with even more migrants arriving here. Other EU countries are pulling out of the scheme - it’s madness.

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/09/2023 06:20

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/09/2023 05:59

The Tories are saying all the right things - but they're the Tories, and a vote for them is hugely unpalatable for left-leaning voters like myself. So who the hell is left??? Why is it such a HUGE fucking ask to find a party that's willing to consider the issues that women are concerned about?!

And while they’re saying the right thing, by every measure things have got worse for women in the U.K.

I have as much concern about the way trans rights are being promoted as the next person, but please don’t think the Tories are on the side of women just because they know we don’t have a penis. They know we don’t have a penis because they need to know who to fuck, literally and figuratively.

@Jellycatspyjamas - I absolutely agree. That probably wasn't clear from my comment.

I believe that the Tories have seen an opportunity to try and reap some votes. I don't think for a second that this bunch of self-serving, power-hungry clowns give a shit about women's rights. Not at all. We are just an opportunity for them to try and make themselves look good. They've done precisely fuck all for women during their squillion years in power.

And this is my dilemma. I truly believe that once we lose our rights, we won't get them back. And many more women and girls will suffer as a result. I don't think we will ever have enough of a voice to claw things back because frankly, no one listens to women.

And yet...

I really can't vote for the Tories. They've done some truly despicable things in recent years, and sunk even lower than I ever suspected any party would ever consider. They've shown complete contempt for the public. In another country, we'd have described their actions as corrupt - yet somehow they've gotten away with it.

But if I can't vote for Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens or the Tories, then what's the answer? Abstaining? I've never abstained from a vote in my life.

I really do admire Keir Starmer. I think he's tried to step away from the yah-boo politics and I think he tried to do the decent thing in COVID, rather than obvious point-scoring because they were deeply troubled times. I think he'd make an excellent PM - but I need way more assurances from him re women's rights and spaces. I think - unfortunately - he's just being very clever with his words and saying the same old thing in a more palatable way. As in "99.99% of women don't have a penis" are his spoken words but what that means is "0.1% of women DO have a penis" - and that's the trans women percentage he's referring to. So in other words, he is STILL saying that women can have a penis. He's just dressed it up better to try and act as if he's listened to what we're saying.

StressedToDeathhhh · 27/09/2023 06:21

Totally agree, Wes Streeting as well is absolutely foul. Wouldn't have Danny Dyer either though he's a horrible misogynist. Alternative suggestions that are better than the Tories or the current Labour shadow cabinet - my cat, a fried egg, my nephew who thought Wales was "made up off a book" or a box of dried up felt tips with no lids.

pinotnow · 27/09/2023 06:21

The right are desperate for him to 'restart the Brexit wars,' which he absolutely hasn't, thus denying them of a fight they'd love to have but also disappointing a lot of his natural supporters. That's the shit position he's been put in by circumstances derived from his own party as well as from his opposition. The fact that he has done so admirably well to tread that fine line has led to people saying they don't trust him, but he's doing what he needs to do to get elected, which is the main job of loto, so good for him I say. I think he's been pretty ruthless while also coming across to some as weak and boring, which I think he definitely isn't. It amuses me and I like him. And Wes Streeting is great too. What on earth is nauseating about him?

Oysterbabe · 27/09/2023 06:22

I absolutely cannot stand him and won't vote Labour while he's in charge. I know a lot of people who feel the same way.

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/09/2023 06:24

@Jellycatspyjamas - I absolutely agree. That probably wasn't clear from my comment.

@SpidersAreShitheads i was agreeing with you, and expanding your point for the hard of thinking. I agree it’s a bloody nightmare trying to navigate who to vote for. And I’m in Scotland so an even more painful minefield to pick my way through. Not voting isn’t an option for me, but it’s increasingly difficult finding someone tolerable never mind preferable.

Thisistyresome · 27/09/2023 06:27

LemonyTicket · 27/09/2023 00:48

I couldn't really give a monkeys about that, it's more that I feel he doesn't mean a word out of his mouth

But it is another example of him saying things you know he doesn't believe. In fact he then changed what he said when the opinion polls started showing it wasn't the vote winner his team assumed it was.

KimberleyClark · 27/09/2023 06:29

Bingbangbongbash · 27/09/2023 05:15

Voting Green is the same as voting Tory. It splits the vote and will allow Tories to get in.

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This. In our multi party first past the post system, not voting Labour will mean we’ll end up with a Tory government the majority of people don’t want.

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/09/2023 06:30

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/09/2023 06:24

@Jellycatspyjamas - I absolutely agree. That probably wasn't clear from my comment.

@SpidersAreShitheads i was agreeing with you, and expanding your point for the hard of thinking. I agree it’s a bloody nightmare trying to navigate who to vote for. And I’m in Scotland so an even more painful minefield to pick my way through. Not voting isn’t an option for me, but it’s increasingly difficult finding someone tolerable never mind preferable.

Aah yes, I see thank you! I could see you were agreeing with me, but I wasn't sure whether it was clear that I was agreeing with you 😅

Oof. Scotland. Poor you. Beautiful country, but a right fucking state at the moment for women. The political landscape is terrible up there right now.

I agree re abstaining. I suppose that's the logical thing to do but it feels deeply wrong to me. I feel very strongly that we should all use our voices when given the opportunity - but just what the actual hell do we do?! There appears to be some sliding towards science - women's sport, of all the things, seems to have peaked people. I'm hoping that by the time the elections roll around positions will have shifted sufficiently to allow me to vote for Labour. I really, really fucking hope so anyway.

Asiatoyork · 27/09/2023 06:30

@Lastchancechica piss off with calling me a liar. I was repeating something that Starmer recently said (and was recorded doing so).

The deal was always due for review and can be improved. That’s the thing: ‘Brexit’ doesn’t mean no on-going relationship, review of trade deals, new cooperation relationships and pressures etc etc with Europe.

Migrant deal - we’ll see where that ends up. We need a returns agreement back (had one before) to be able to send economic migrants back. I’m happy to accept a quota of genuine asylum seekers. Migrant deal does not equal reopening Brexit.

Francesgumm · 27/09/2023 06:34

Unless a party leader can define what a woman is and protect single sex spaces then they are completely off the table for me - that is my priority - and only at that point will I look at the other policies - I’m not a staunch one party person anyway - and have changed my vote over the years , but this for me is the big issue.

Teateaandmoretea · 27/09/2023 06:35

Yanbu I can’t stand any of them.

madamreign · 27/09/2023 06:38

Justifiedcheese · 27/09/2023 02:52

All these people willing to throw the entire country under a bus because they hate and fear trans women.
Tragic and at the same time enraging.

It's weird, isn't it?

Starmer is an administrator. He is dull. That is exactly what we need.

lavenderlou · 27/09/2023 06:39

I'm not normally a Labour voter but Keir Starmer comes across as thoughtful, intelligent and a bit dull. Just what the country needs at the moment.

LemonQuiche · 27/09/2023 06:40

He’s not the most charismatic media performer but he comes across as solid, reliable and serious. After the succession of clowns we’ve had (especially the last one), it feels like we might actually be on the brink of having the adults in charge again.

CoreopsisEverywhere · 27/09/2023 06:45

he always looks so miserable, like he really doesn’t enjoy the role he’s found himself with.

Theunamedcat · 27/09/2023 06:49

I wouod need some kind of assurance that he wont sacrifice women disabled and children before I vote for anyone

CurlewKate · 27/09/2023 06:53

@StressedToDeathhhh "Totally agree, Wes Streeting as well is absolutely foul."

In what way?