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To have lost it at DS aged 11

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FluthyFeaffers · 26/09/2023 21:56

I have yelled at him this evening.
He is 11, soon to be 12.
Started Yr 7 in secondary school 3 weeks ago.
He is struggling so much with his (lack of) organisation in the mornings before school, I am at my wits end.
I spent the whole of year 5 and 6 battling, absolutely battling with him to get ready for school, but never succeeded. We were late every single day for 2 years.
"Eat your breakfast" gets distracted eating breakfast.
"Clean your teeth" goes upstairs to clean teeth but wanders around doing something else.
"Get dressed" goes in to bedroom to get dressed but ends up doing something else.
Etc. Etc. All through year 5 & 6.
It made us late because whilst this was going on I'm racing around trying to get myself ready for work and trying to get my other younger DC ready. Then I'd go and check on DS and he'd never ever have done what I'd sent him to do.
Nothing worked to motivate him. No reward system, no sticker chart, no amount of explaining about the repercussions of not doing as asked, no amount of explaining about the knock on effect of being late for school. I tried it all for 2 years. Nothing worked.
But because it was primary school, all that happened to him was we missed the school gate and had to go roundcto the front reception to be let in. He got a warm friendly greeting from teachers and I got a look of "Why can't you get your poor child in to school on time" and then I'd arrive late for work and get reprimanded for it.
So I spent the whole summer drilling it in to him that in Yr 7 he must must must get to school on time, because in secondary school if you're late you get a detention, because you're causing your sibling masses of stress by making them late for school every time you're late for school, because I am getting in to serious trouble at work because of arriving late every day because I drop you in late because you're not ready to leave on time, because it creates SO MUCH STRESS when you won't get ready in time to leave on time for school.
Yes yes yes yes yes mum, he said every time I brought it up over summer.
I promise, promise, promise I will change, he said.
4 weeks in to secondary school, and it is a nightmare every single morning.
He cannot, cannot get himself ready for school in time to leave.
I spell out for him every single morning what he needs to do. It's soooooo eeeeeasy. It's the same god damn things every single day! Nothing changes! Do x, y, z.
"Yes mum" wanders around.
"Have you done x, y and z?"
"No, sorry, I forgot. I'll do it now"
Wanders off.
"Why haven't you done x? Ive asked you twice now"
"Sorry"
"Do it now"
"Why haven't you done y? I've asked you 3 times"
"I'm sorry. I'll do it. I'm trying my best"
Last week he needed to take his PE bag on 1 of the says.
"Remember to take your PE bag today, it's hanging in the cupboard " I said.
"Oh yeah!!!!! PE!!!!! I forgot!!!!!! Thanks for reminding me!!!!!"
20 mins later:
"Have you got your PE bag?"
"Oh No! I forgot! I'll get it now...."
15 mins later, after non stop constant continuous marshalling to get ready, do this, do that, do this, do that:
"Right, come on, we're late again, pick up your rucksack and your PE bag we need to leave NOW"
DS hovers around putting on tie and blazer which I'd asked him to do the the past hour sling with all his other things he needs to do.
"NOW" I raise my voice, as he's making my other child late for school and me late for work.
He runs out the door, jumps in the car.
We get to school.
He turns pale and says "I've forgotten my PE bag"
"Tough" I say. " I have told you 3 times this morning to take your PE bag. I reminded you for the 3rd time right before we left home."
DS starts crying
"I will get a detention!!!!!!!!!"
His worst, absolute worst fear, is getting a detention. He's never had one, and is terrified of getting one.
"Maybe you'll learn if you get a detention " I say.
Then he starts begging and pleading with me to take him home to get his PE bag. He's crying sorry over and over again. He looks physically ill, sweating, clammy, pale.
So I drive him home to get PE bag.
My other child starts crying because now she is horribly late for school (different school) and is too young to go in by herself plus she has SEN and isn't mature enough to cope with going in by herself.
I drop him back to school. He's late. I drop DD toschool. She's late. I get 'the look' from her teachers. I drive to work. I'm late. I get disciplined by my boss.
That evening, I talk to DS for a very, very long time about the impact of his disorganisation in the mornings.
We work out that it would help him if I wrote down for him everything he needs to do in the mornings.
So I write it all out in very clear, bullet point steps. I show it to him, he thinks it's really helpful.
Great, I think.
Why didnt I think of this before.
1 week on, it's of no help at all.
This morning, he's wandering around telling me he's ready whilst simultaneously having forgotten 7 instructions in his morning list. I pointed each of the 7 things on the list out to him, staring each thing that was on the list that he hadn't done.
I told him to do them.
Went off to get other child ready to leave, I'm ready to leave, DS still not ready to leave. We were all late again.
Yesterday, he had something really important to take to school. His timetable. I askedchim SIX TIMES to put his timetable in to his rucksack (he'd got it out at home and I'd seen it in theclounge). I told him the night before, and again in the morning, 6 separate times in total "Put your timetable in to your rucksack now, otherwise you will forget" . 6 times. The 6th time was just before we left. I mean, I was getting more and more stern each time. "Put. Your. Timetable. In. To. Your. Rucksack. NOW. NOW!" We got to school. He turned pale. Panicked. "Mum I've forgotten my timetable!!!!!!!".
I point blank refused to go back and sent him in to school without it. He was really upset. Told me after school today that he'd gone to the wrong classroom at one point in the day as couldn't remember without his timetable. So I said "Go and put it in your rucksack now then, do it now".
"Ok" he says.
Dinnertime:
"Did you put your timetable in your rucksack?"
"Oh No! I got distracted! I'll do it now!"
Evening time
"Is your timetable in your rucksack?"
"No.......I forgot......."
"Go and do it immediately "
"OK...."
Bedtime, he's in bed, reading:
"Darling, is your timetable in your rucksack, did you do it?"
"No, sorry, I'm sorry mum, I forgot"
And that was that.
I lost it.
Yelled at him. For ages.
I have NEVER yelled at him before. Never.
He was devastated. So remorseful. Said sorry over and over again.
And finally, he broke my heart by sadly and quietly saying "I'm so sorry for being me. I really struggle with my short term memory mummy. I know it causes problems butvi cant help it".
He's soon to be 12.
He has not got SEN.
He's bright.
He's average at school except for maths where he's below average.
He's amazing in every other way.
He's such a good boy.
He tries so hard all of the time to do his best.
He's a clever boy.
He's a wonderful personality.
Fantastic sense of humour.
Loving.
Kind.
Affectionate.
Funny.
Friends love him.
Teachers complimentary about him.
What the hell is wrong with him in tbe mornings?????????
Am I being too hard?
Am I expecting too much????

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BrontëParsonage · 26/09/2023 22:35

@FluthyFeaffers so sorry to be a parrot, but ADHD. My DD1(very nearly 16) is in Y11 at a selective grammar school and we have been practising every single day since Y7 for her to pack her school bag correctly. Obviously, this does not involve emptying said bag and then starting again by working through her planner; no, it means that she cumulatively adds the day’s required books to her backpack until it reaches bone-breaking proportions. I may have lost my shit with her two days ago when I emptied her backpack (yes, this is how hard it can be being the parent of a teen with ADHD) to discover that not only was she carrying around a full week’s worth of books, but she had two one-litre metal water bottles and two umbrellas.

BoohooWoohoo · 26/09/2023 22:36

This sounds like my ds who has ADHD and dyslexia so processing is an issue. He's well behaved at school, academically average and very popular.

For now, I think you need to do as much as you can the night before so PE kit in car, timetable in bag etc Have you considered making a few copies of his timetable and having it in different places so forgetting it isn't as serious as it was yesterday ? Also you need to get him up earlier- it's the only way. I struggled getting everyone out the door when they were lower primary so used to get them up at silly o clock but over time it became a more reasonable time. As getting to work on time in important, you should probably literally walk him to the bathroom so he brushes his teeth and consider any possible simplications possible like getting him to eat a cereal bar on the bus rather than sit down and have breakfast at home.

My son is in y13 now but it took until y11 before he didn't need waking up in the morning. He's had a few detentions for forgotten equipment but not wearing lost property PE kit has been a good incentive not to forget or lose it. At one point he had like 20 alarms for his morning routine.
8:05 Shoes
8:10 coat
on PE days 8:15 PE Kit
on Food Tech days 8:15 Food Tech ingredients

He also had alarms set for the night before where he had to go and sort food tech ingredients the night before Food Tech (measuring out 100g flour etc) and he did it when the alarm went or he'd forget.

Biscuitandacuppa · 26/09/2023 22:38

My dd is in year 8 and has dyslexia and adhd. The only thing that works is routine and order. Everything is always in the same place. I pack her bag and make sure she has what she needs for the day.
She is clever and picks things up
quickly but gets tired staying ‘on it’ all day. In the evening she has support to get her homework done (being physically present) and has time on her own to decompress (bounce up and down and run about a lot!) this help her sleep, yoga is good too.
Academically she is thriving and as she grows older she is becoming slowly more independent.

finallyme2018 · 26/09/2023 22:39

Even if he hasn’t got Sen. He needs more support of you. My son does have Sen but I knew it was me who needed to be more organised. So evening before bed, I would sit with his school bag and go through everything he needed and get him to go and get it and bring it straight back to me. School bag, pe bag was ready by the front door for morning. I knew asking him to go up stairs to brush teeth wouldn’t happen so had another tooth brush in the kitchen for mornings so he’d have to do it as he’s bringing his plate/dish from breakfast. Uniform laid out ready he got dressed before we went down stairs so i could be chasing him along as I got dressed. Sometimes if the way you are expecting them to work is not working. You are already setting you both up for failure. Step back and find a new routine for you all. My son is now 13 nearly 14 and is so organised he plans our trips out down to the timings of the train etc. some children just need support for longer than others.

RedHelenB · 26/09/2023 22:39

RudsyFarmer · 26/09/2023 22:11

I would just get more involved. I’d put his timetable in his bag. Put his PE kit in the car the evening before etc etc. There is no point demanding independence if the child hasn’t got the maturity yet. You just have to step up until he can take over.

This if it will stop you all being late.

bridgetreilly · 26/09/2023 22:40

You’re wrong about the hyper focus. Absolutely consistent wIth ADHD. As is the determination to do it all right at the start of term, and failing badly almost from the start. The sooner you can get him assessed, the better. Medication may be needed, but there’s a whole lot of other ways to help him too.

Jesseweneedtocook · 26/09/2023 22:40

He may have ADHD or other issues but the disruption he's causing to the entire family needs to stop.

As another poster has said you need to stand over him and make sure he does these things. Every day. Don't let him use technology in the mornings until his tasks are done. Not in a threatening way but he does need to understand that this is having serious consequences.
Xx

OhcantthInkofaname · 26/09/2023 22:40

I'm sorry but he can help it. Let him get a detention everyday.

You are going to lose your job.

theduchessofspork · 26/09/2023 22:41

ADHD? Get that assessment.

Purplepeople12 · 26/09/2023 22:42

Another one who saw ADHD from your post. You've just described the last 15 years of my daughter's (adhd & asd) morning routine.

renovationheavenandhell · 26/09/2023 22:42

Honestly this is me I have ADHD and this post really sums up why I eventually got help, it doesn’t effect me per se, I’m quite happy in my own little world and I don’t really know I’m doing it (or not doing it) but others do and the effect on them and how angry/frustrated it makes people made me get help.

Merryoldgoat · 26/09/2023 22:43

If he isn’t ND I would eat my hat.
My son is near identical albeit not as severe and is autistic.

Alstroemeria123 · 26/09/2023 22:43

OhcantthInkofaname · 26/09/2023 22:40

I'm sorry but he can help it. Let him get a detention everyday.

You are going to lose your job.

He can’t help it if his executive functioning is as bad as it sounds from the OP.

Detention won’t do anything other than make him anxious.

oknowimscared · 26/09/2023 22:43

Hyper focus, unable to do “normal” routines. It’s screaming ADHD. Inattentive ADHD - it’s slightly harder to pick up on but please get him assessed ASAP

endofthelinefinally · 26/09/2023 22:44

I agree with everyone saying ADHD and getting everything ready the night before.
You have to do it with them.
Use a plastic, brightly coloured box or trug for each child. Everything that needs to go to school goes in the box the night before. Add packed lunch just before you leave. You need 3 copies of timetables. 1 in the school bag, one on a noticeboard in your kitchen and a master copy in your folder or filing system. Use that to make more copies if others get lost.
Shouting, nagging, expecting a child with short term memory problems to remember stuff isn't working. You have to find coping strategies. Also, practicing the same routine every morning does help eventually.
You need to get professional advice from the Senco too.

LaBelleSauvage123 · 26/09/2023 22:44

Echoing all other posters here about the need for an assessment , but just want to add that a diagnosis ( dyspraxia in my son’s case) really helped his self confidence. I remember him saying that it had ‘explained me to myself’ and from then on he was able ( with our support) to gradually develop strategies to overcome his issues with memory and organisation. Now at 22 he is thriving at university and uses a diary, lists and spreadsheets to help him organise his work, life and budget. But I don’t think he would have been able to do this without a diagnosis, because he just thought there was something wrong with him and didn’t understand why.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 26/09/2023 22:44

I'd add I think he has ADHD or something similar. Read some of the threads on here about it, or ask for help with strategies in the SEN boards. One of the symptoms that adults hs e discussed on here is hyper focus on things that interest them or when there is a deadline looming. Something that can be put off is very hard to focus on.

I'd start by going to the doctor and showing them this thread. Then push for a diagnosis. Privately if possible if you can afford it. In the meantime Google all his symptoms and start assuming he has ADHD or similar and learn parenting and coping strategies for children that you can work with him on

beAsensible1 · 26/09/2023 22:44

now is the time for him to learn about consequences. in the time of low stakes! let him be late you constantly badgering him hast worked for the past two years.

if he forgets his kit he forgets.

if he is still struggling after a month it could be SEN. but really he is old enough to sort himself to get to school

momtoboys · 26/09/2023 22:45

He is 11. I raised 5 boys and I had these conversations with all of them over and over and over throughout the years. One of my sons does have ADHD and his organizations skills have not improved very much as a young adult, but the other 4 have grown out of it. Try to not let it get to you. Let him forget things a few times. If he doesn't do XY and Z and has a consequence for it he will learn.

FortofPud · 26/09/2023 22:46

Obviously get that assessment but in the meantime get him to repeat everything back to you that you want him to do.

"Is your timetable in your bag?"
"No"
"Put it in your bag now them. What is it I want you to do?"
"I'm not sure, I can't remember"
"Timetable in bag now. Repeat it back to me"
"Timetable in bag now"
"One more time"
"Timetable in bag now"
"Good. Now keeping saying it to yourself until it's in there, and shout out to me when it's done".

Lesina · 26/09/2023 22:47

Your boy sounds exactly like our 8 year old, who has recently been diagnosed with both autism and ADHD. Speak to your GP and ask (demand) a referral. Involve the school. And please stop ‘losing it’ with him. The damage yiu are doing is incalculable

Maria1982 · 26/09/2023 22:49

FluthyFeaffers · 26/09/2023 22:08

He can hyper focus on things though.
He can spend hours focusing on things that he's interested in, or is enjoying.
To me that's not consistent with ADHD, is it?
Or am I wrong?
He's gone through the whole of primary school with nothing ever being picked up. His grades are always average. He's amazing at reading and spelling, above average in my opinion but school says average. Poor at maths.
And his long term memory recall is phenomenal. Shocks me with the details he can remember long term. But can't bloody remember an instruction from 2 minutes ago.
He said tonight that he needs help because he thinks he's got "listening problems". I don't know what this means.....😞

Oh, hyper focus is absolutely a classic part of ADHD! Seriously, it is.

i suggest you do some reading about ADHD. Meant kindly, it’s often not what we pre conceive it to be! I’m 41 and awaiting official diagnosis but , well… now I’ve discovered what it is and how it can present in women… I’m textbook adhd !

paperwater · 26/09/2023 22:49

He has ADHD.
Hyperfocus is a symptom of that.
Along with everything else you have written about him.
Stop shouting at him, he can’t help it and it will be severely damaging his self esteem.
Read up about ADHD.

ThankyouwithacapitalR · 26/09/2023 22:49

I saw a post on Instagram where a lady got up each morning and put on several bracelets,each bracelet had a task on it that she wanted to complete to start her day, perhaps this could be used as a physical and visual reminder of what your son needs to do in the morning. Once the task is completed, he takes the bracelet off and doesn't have to think about it again for the day. It's a good visual tool for you to track how many tasks are left before leaving the house

Findyourneutralspace · 26/09/2023 22:50

Dyspraxia is another that can present as problems with working memory.
Listening problems - my DS (ADHD and dyspraxia) says he hears every word but they don’t ‘stick’.
Before he was diagnosed and I didn’t understand used to spend ages bollocking him and going into detail about what he’d done wrong and how he needed to address it, and he’d look at me and go ‘sorry, what did you just say?’
Now I know I have to keep it simple.

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