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To have lost it at DS aged 11

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FluthyFeaffers · 26/09/2023 21:56

I have yelled at him this evening.
He is 11, soon to be 12.
Started Yr 7 in secondary school 3 weeks ago.
He is struggling so much with his (lack of) organisation in the mornings before school, I am at my wits end.
I spent the whole of year 5 and 6 battling, absolutely battling with him to get ready for school, but never succeeded. We were late every single day for 2 years.
"Eat your breakfast" gets distracted eating breakfast.
"Clean your teeth" goes upstairs to clean teeth but wanders around doing something else.
"Get dressed" goes in to bedroom to get dressed but ends up doing something else.
Etc. Etc. All through year 5 & 6.
It made us late because whilst this was going on I'm racing around trying to get myself ready for work and trying to get my other younger DC ready. Then I'd go and check on DS and he'd never ever have done what I'd sent him to do.
Nothing worked to motivate him. No reward system, no sticker chart, no amount of explaining about the repercussions of not doing as asked, no amount of explaining about the knock on effect of being late for school. I tried it all for 2 years. Nothing worked.
But because it was primary school, all that happened to him was we missed the school gate and had to go roundcto the front reception to be let in. He got a warm friendly greeting from teachers and I got a look of "Why can't you get your poor child in to school on time" and then I'd arrive late for work and get reprimanded for it.
So I spent the whole summer drilling it in to him that in Yr 7 he must must must get to school on time, because in secondary school if you're late you get a detention, because you're causing your sibling masses of stress by making them late for school every time you're late for school, because I am getting in to serious trouble at work because of arriving late every day because I drop you in late because you're not ready to leave on time, because it creates SO MUCH STRESS when you won't get ready in time to leave on time for school.
Yes yes yes yes yes mum, he said every time I brought it up over summer.
I promise, promise, promise I will change, he said.
4 weeks in to secondary school, and it is a nightmare every single morning.
He cannot, cannot get himself ready for school in time to leave.
I spell out for him every single morning what he needs to do. It's soooooo eeeeeasy. It's the same god damn things every single day! Nothing changes! Do x, y, z.
"Yes mum" wanders around.
"Have you done x, y and z?"
"No, sorry, I forgot. I'll do it now"
Wanders off.
"Why haven't you done x? Ive asked you twice now"
"Sorry"
"Do it now"
"Why haven't you done y? I've asked you 3 times"
"I'm sorry. I'll do it. I'm trying my best"
Last week he needed to take his PE bag on 1 of the says.
"Remember to take your PE bag today, it's hanging in the cupboard " I said.
"Oh yeah!!!!! PE!!!!! I forgot!!!!!! Thanks for reminding me!!!!!"
20 mins later:
"Have you got your PE bag?"
"Oh No! I forgot! I'll get it now...."
15 mins later, after non stop constant continuous marshalling to get ready, do this, do that, do this, do that:
"Right, come on, we're late again, pick up your rucksack and your PE bag we need to leave NOW"
DS hovers around putting on tie and blazer which I'd asked him to do the the past hour sling with all his other things he needs to do.
"NOW" I raise my voice, as he's making my other child late for school and me late for work.
He runs out the door, jumps in the car.
We get to school.
He turns pale and says "I've forgotten my PE bag"
"Tough" I say. " I have told you 3 times this morning to take your PE bag. I reminded you for the 3rd time right before we left home."
DS starts crying
"I will get a detention!!!!!!!!!"
His worst, absolute worst fear, is getting a detention. He's never had one, and is terrified of getting one.
"Maybe you'll learn if you get a detention " I say.
Then he starts begging and pleading with me to take him home to get his PE bag. He's crying sorry over and over again. He looks physically ill, sweating, clammy, pale.
So I drive him home to get PE bag.
My other child starts crying because now she is horribly late for school (different school) and is too young to go in by herself plus she has SEN and isn't mature enough to cope with going in by herself.
I drop him back to school. He's late. I drop DD toschool. She's late. I get 'the look' from her teachers. I drive to work. I'm late. I get disciplined by my boss.
That evening, I talk to DS for a very, very long time about the impact of his disorganisation in the mornings.
We work out that it would help him if I wrote down for him everything he needs to do in the mornings.
So I write it all out in very clear, bullet point steps. I show it to him, he thinks it's really helpful.
Great, I think.
Why didnt I think of this before.
1 week on, it's of no help at all.
This morning, he's wandering around telling me he's ready whilst simultaneously having forgotten 7 instructions in his morning list. I pointed each of the 7 things on the list out to him, staring each thing that was on the list that he hadn't done.
I told him to do them.
Went off to get other child ready to leave, I'm ready to leave, DS still not ready to leave. We were all late again.
Yesterday, he had something really important to take to school. His timetable. I askedchim SIX TIMES to put his timetable in to his rucksack (he'd got it out at home and I'd seen it in theclounge). I told him the night before, and again in the morning, 6 separate times in total "Put your timetable in to your rucksack now, otherwise you will forget" . 6 times. The 6th time was just before we left. I mean, I was getting more and more stern each time. "Put. Your. Timetable. In. To. Your. Rucksack. NOW. NOW!" We got to school. He turned pale. Panicked. "Mum I've forgotten my timetable!!!!!!!".
I point blank refused to go back and sent him in to school without it. He was really upset. Told me after school today that he'd gone to the wrong classroom at one point in the day as couldn't remember without his timetable. So I said "Go and put it in your rucksack now then, do it now".
"Ok" he says.
Dinnertime:
"Did you put your timetable in your rucksack?"
"Oh No! I got distracted! I'll do it now!"
Evening time
"Is your timetable in your rucksack?"
"No.......I forgot......."
"Go and do it immediately "
"OK...."
Bedtime, he's in bed, reading:
"Darling, is your timetable in your rucksack, did you do it?"
"No, sorry, I'm sorry mum, I forgot"
And that was that.
I lost it.
Yelled at him. For ages.
I have NEVER yelled at him before. Never.
He was devastated. So remorseful. Said sorry over and over again.
And finally, he broke my heart by sadly and quietly saying "I'm so sorry for being me. I really struggle with my short term memory mummy. I know it causes problems butvi cant help it".
He's soon to be 12.
He has not got SEN.
He's bright.
He's average at school except for maths where he's below average.
He's amazing in every other way.
He's such a good boy.
He tries so hard all of the time to do his best.
He's a clever boy.
He's a wonderful personality.
Fantastic sense of humour.
Loving.
Kind.
Affectionate.
Funny.
Friends love him.
Teachers complimentary about him.
What the hell is wrong with him in tbe mornings?????????
Am I being too hard?
Am I expecting too much????

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SomethingBlues · 26/09/2023 23:08

I was this child. I had a whole childhood of people going absolutely nuts at me because I just couldn’t remember. I asked for help when I was 14 because i thought I had some sort of very early onset dementia or something. I was dismissed too- ‘there’s nothing wrong with you’. I could hyperfocus on things I loved - reading and the piano - whole days would vanish while I went down the rabbit whole. But could I remember to get my trainers for pe? Could I hell.

at 19 I was diagnosed with adhd and dyspraxia. I’m medicated for it now and I am so much better. I just wish someone had listened to me sooner.

Blinkingbonkers · 26/09/2023 23:10

Oh and don’t beat yourself up for shouting - happens to the best of us (despite some denying it and insisting they’re perfect!) and you must be a saint for not having broken before!!

junbean · 26/09/2023 23:10

Sounds just like my daughter. She has Asperger's and I could never figure out for years if she was just lazy or if it was the ASD. I have lost it on her many times as hard as I try not to. Finally this summer we had a total breakdown where she ran away from home (went next door lol) because she didn't want to clean her room or hear me lecture her about it. She admitted to me that's she's just lazy and doesn't want to do what she's supposed to. That made me feel better that I haven't been treating an autistic child horribly. HOWEVER I knew she wasn't lazy. She can be lazy, but that's not a part of her identity. I've heard grown women with ADHD talk about this a lot. They thought they were just lazy, but it turns out they had ADHD. I don't know much about it but I'm going to have her tested. You might look into it too, it really sounds very similar.
Until you get to the bottom of it, you should probably just get up earlier and help your son without distractions. Maybe get all his stuff ready the night before. I try to teach my daughter strategies to make her life easier and more organized and it does help but it's like her mind goes blank and I can't trust her to complete any single task on her own ever. At the end of the day every day I feel guilty for constantly getting on to her about everything. People have told me I'm too hard on her. But they don't live with us and see how hard it is, and how unprepared for life she is. So I know I've done my best (I'm also a single parent) and I want to do better, and I do apologize and communicate with her a lot so she understands I'm just human and very lost sometimes. But hopefully soon I'll find some answers that actually help her. I do think it's ADHD or something like that though.

Beautifulday3 · 26/09/2023 23:12

Dyspraxia? Adhd? Auditory processing disorder? My son Is the same age and also struggles but I can organise him In the mornings other siblings are older. But it’s not easy and a real effort. He is a bright boy but struggles with organisation. He had nearly lost his school bag twice due to leaving it in random places. I think short requests and not too much information at once is key. Now and next type instructions. Would a getting dressed timer work? I pack his drink/food for him. It’s one less thing for him to do.

DarkDarkNight · 26/09/2023 23:13

He sounds so much like my son who is in Y5. It’s very hard to keep him on task, he’s very careless with his possessions, and the time blindness and procrastination is off the scale. I suspect ADHD, especially because I see all the traits in myself too. I can’t explain but I have a constant dialogue in my head that goes something like ‘Oh, I need to do that thing… oh well, I’ll do it later’ and then it’s gone, pushed out of my mind and if remembered at all it’s probably already too late.

No advice but I recognise how frustrating it is.

Sonolanona · 26/09/2023 23:13

Another vote for inattentive ADHD... poor boy, he sounds absolutely classic, and he really cannot help it.

Even if he doesn't get assessed, or diagnosed.. read up, and support him.
There is absolutely no point in trying to get him to remember when the last two years have clearly shown he can't.. not that he won't, he CAN'T.

My DD1 has ADHD, and is very very bright. I also had to be on top of everything she needed for school because he brain simply didn't work in a way which allowed her to self organise.

Medications helps her massively.. she's an adult and has been on meds since she was about 7!

She's an adult now and has improved a lot, but has tick lists, phone reminders you name it. She's actually a GP, and luckily her hyperfocus has always been on medicine. She can also play games like Runescape (still her favourite) for hours, but other daily life stuff has taken her MANY years to master.

Please apologise to him and have a cuddle. It's incredibly frustrating to live with I know, but he can't help it, and he sounds absolutely lovely :)

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 26/09/2023 23:15

insearchofabra · 26/09/2023 22:00

ADHD screamed out at me too, is that at all possible?

Me too

Sprinkles211 · 26/09/2023 23:15

This absolutely is me (and 2 of my kids) but I was diagnosed later in life because I also had a sen sibling who was worse than me. I was the one at grammar school, spent hours focusing on work but zero time management self worth through the absolute floor because I couldn't just remember to brush my teeth or pack my bag ultimately I still struggle even diagnosed and medicated and my sibling that went to a specialist school and got all the support and coping methods he needed to get thru life earns more that I ever will, has a successful marriage and two children and I'm still a mess trying to just remember to brush my teeth everyday feeling like an absolute disappointment and a failure.

Passepartoute · 26/09/2023 23:16

He said tonight that he needs help because he thinks he's got "listening problems". I don't know what this means.....

Classic language processing/working memory/attention difficulty.

Vanillazebra · 26/09/2023 23:16

My money is ADHD, with a learning disability but gifted... I have one of these

rugbymumm · 26/09/2023 23:19

Sounds like my son and he has adhd

Here4thechocs · 26/09/2023 23:19

OP, can you afford a private education for him ? I fear a kid like him may get “ lost” in a class of 30+ children.

Iwasafool · 26/09/2023 23:20

It does sound like ADHD and I hate people diagnosing things on here but what are all these things he has to do every morning? My kids had bags in the hall the night before with anything they needed to take, uniform ready to put on. They got up, went to bathroom, got dressed, had breakfast, picked up bags and left. They didn't need to be told the majority, I called them and they went to the bathroom and got dressed because that's what you do, came downstairs where I gave them breakfast and as they walked out they picked up their bags.

Are you making it very complicated?

nadine90 · 26/09/2023 23:20

Absolutely ADHD.
I don't mean this to sound judgy or rude, I really don't. But don't rule it out for yourself either. More than 2 years this has been going on, you must have thought to get up half an hour earlier to help him - is it that you are also struggling to get ready? When you saw the timetable in the lounge, could you not have picked it up and put it in his bag? When he said he hadn't done the thing the night before, when you weren't in a rush, why didn't you go and do it with him to see it was done? I'm not having a go, just maybe think about it. ND tends to run in families.
Do some reading, speak to school, think about other parts of life where he doesn't behave "typically". Hyperfocus on things he's interested in, impatience, fidgeting/restlessness, trouble sleeping at night, forgetfulness, rushing things when he does finally do them, losing things, clumsiness, accident prone - all signs.

FluthyFeaffers · 26/09/2023 23:22

Thank you so much everyone, for all of your replies.
I have never, ever suspected ADHD. Because he's not hyperactive. He's actually the opposite of hyperactive. He prefers to sit around rather than be physically active. It's actually really hard work getting him to 1 swim lesson a week. He has no interest in sport. He sits still for a 2 hour Harry Potter movie. He sits still for hours doing lego or playing with sand or making scenes with his toys. He is not and never had been 'hyper' and I thought ADHD was all about being hyper.

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hotcandle · 26/09/2023 23:23

I could have written this myself last year OP.

I was told to stop all forms of marshalling and pushing in the mornings. We got in the car at X time, and that was that. Anything forgotten (including crucial uniform at times and a school bag) was left at home for the day. Nomatter the consequences at school.

No shouting, no dramatics, no reminding again and again.

In the car for X time, anything forgotten is left. We don't go back home because my work is the most important stop and I won't be late.

I think there was an issue with independence in my household. It was too easy to rely on my constant nagging, so a few weeks of natural consequences, it was completely resolved. We just needed to encourage more independence.

Caerulea · 26/09/2023 23:23

OP your frustration is palpable. I'll echo that your son very definitely needs assessing.

But an immediate tip that MIGHT help - he said 'listening problems', that's very specific & I don't think he thinks he's deaf, it's a processing issue but he can't articulate that cos he doesn't know any different. It's definitely worse the more of a rush you're in & pressure you're under. You're getting ready, you're getting his sister ready & you're getting him ready, that's a lot of noise.

Tomorrow - have him put earphones on with music he likes & start him on his tasks. You might to find that allows him to zero in on the tasks cos all other noises & instructions are shut out. Earphones on, put the list in his hand.

Get him assessed ASAP.

Wetblanket78 · 26/09/2023 23:23

Sounds like ADHD they need to be reminded of each step what to do a timer might help.

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 23:24

This sounds like a really stressful way for him to begin his days. He is obviously in need of more help and understanding. He sounds like a good kid with good intentions and you’re giving him absolute hell every morning.

Really talk to him and try to understand what is going on at a time where you’re not rushing to get him out of the door. I don’t think more and more force is what’s needed.

AccountDeleted · 26/09/2023 23:24

Trust me they won't just pick it up at school. My son is extremely clever and now at 23 very successful but no one picked anything up at school or college or university. He did however have dyslexia, and was also dyspraxic. He was clever enough to cope and find ways around things but very much like you describe your son to be.

We got a private Ed Psyc Report which then forced the Education Authority to review him as they said he's coping fine. He was coping but not able to excel. You have to push and push eventually he was diagnosed got extra time & allowances etc. There will be more to it some kind of SEN will be there that he has so far managed to mask. Ask school first they might be more helpful than ours were.

TheUsualChaos · 26/09/2023 23:26

No NT 11 year old struggles this much with routine every day. You say no SEN but as others have said ADHD seems highly likely.

Change the morning routines to take some of the stress away. He clearly can't manage on his own and it's causing all of you great distress.

Rather than make him go upstairs to get ready where he gets distracted. Bring all his stuff down the night before. He can get dressed and do his teeth downstairs where you can ensure he's getting on with it while you get things ready as well. Have everything ready by the front door the night before. Stop the frustration of trying to make him remember what to do and when and accept that, for now at least, he just isn't able to do these things on his own.

Fallingthroughclouds · 26/09/2023 23:26

He's way too old for a rewards chart and seems like he has a genuine problem with it, rather than doing it purposely. Others can definitely advise you on SEN better than I, I just know a lot of school are really bad at picking it up.

Practically, because it sounds like he really needs the help, I would get him to put everything he needs by the door the night before. I'm really disorganised so I always do this for my daughter (7), sometimes she helps and sometimes if I have missed something she will remind me in the morning.

Aside from that, rightly or wrongly I would have lost my shit at him a lot earlier than you have. Sounds bloody infuriating....and every morning!! my brains would probably be splattered against the wall by now.

Lunde · 26/09/2023 23:26

FluthyFeaffers · 26/09/2023 23:22

Thank you so much everyone, for all of your replies.
I have never, ever suspected ADHD. Because he's not hyperactive. He's actually the opposite of hyperactive. He prefers to sit around rather than be physically active. It's actually really hard work getting him to 1 swim lesson a week. He has no interest in sport. He sits still for a 2 hour Harry Potter movie. He sits still for hours doing lego or playing with sand or making scenes with his toys. He is not and never had been 'hyper' and I thought ADHD was all about being hyper.

You can have ADD without the H

https://www.lanc.org.uk/related-conditions/attention-deficit-disorder-adhd/

Attention Deficit Disorder - Lanc UK

Attention Deficit Disorder - The LAC specialises in multi-disciplinary assessment of children with ADD, ADHD, Behavioural Problems, Learning Problems. The LAC is lead by Dr. G.D.Kewley in the UK.

https://www.lanc.org.uk/related-conditions/attention-deficit-disorder-adhd

Fallingthroughclouds · 26/09/2023 23:27

Sorry just realised I have echoed you.

Fallingthroughclouds · 26/09/2023 23:27

Meant for @TheUsualChaos

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