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To have lost it at DS aged 11

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FluthyFeaffers · 26/09/2023 21:56

I have yelled at him this evening.
He is 11, soon to be 12.
Started Yr 7 in secondary school 3 weeks ago.
He is struggling so much with his (lack of) organisation in the mornings before school, I am at my wits end.
I spent the whole of year 5 and 6 battling, absolutely battling with him to get ready for school, but never succeeded. We were late every single day for 2 years.
"Eat your breakfast" gets distracted eating breakfast.
"Clean your teeth" goes upstairs to clean teeth but wanders around doing something else.
"Get dressed" goes in to bedroom to get dressed but ends up doing something else.
Etc. Etc. All through year 5 & 6.
It made us late because whilst this was going on I'm racing around trying to get myself ready for work and trying to get my other younger DC ready. Then I'd go and check on DS and he'd never ever have done what I'd sent him to do.
Nothing worked to motivate him. No reward system, no sticker chart, no amount of explaining about the repercussions of not doing as asked, no amount of explaining about the knock on effect of being late for school. I tried it all for 2 years. Nothing worked.
But because it was primary school, all that happened to him was we missed the school gate and had to go roundcto the front reception to be let in. He got a warm friendly greeting from teachers and I got a look of "Why can't you get your poor child in to school on time" and then I'd arrive late for work and get reprimanded for it.
So I spent the whole summer drilling it in to him that in Yr 7 he must must must get to school on time, because in secondary school if you're late you get a detention, because you're causing your sibling masses of stress by making them late for school every time you're late for school, because I am getting in to serious trouble at work because of arriving late every day because I drop you in late because you're not ready to leave on time, because it creates SO MUCH STRESS when you won't get ready in time to leave on time for school.
Yes yes yes yes yes mum, he said every time I brought it up over summer.
I promise, promise, promise I will change, he said.
4 weeks in to secondary school, and it is a nightmare every single morning.
He cannot, cannot get himself ready for school in time to leave.
I spell out for him every single morning what he needs to do. It's soooooo eeeeeasy. It's the same god damn things every single day! Nothing changes! Do x, y, z.
"Yes mum" wanders around.
"Have you done x, y and z?"
"No, sorry, I forgot. I'll do it now"
Wanders off.
"Why haven't you done x? Ive asked you twice now"
"Sorry"
"Do it now"
"Why haven't you done y? I've asked you 3 times"
"I'm sorry. I'll do it. I'm trying my best"
Last week he needed to take his PE bag on 1 of the says.
"Remember to take your PE bag today, it's hanging in the cupboard " I said.
"Oh yeah!!!!! PE!!!!! I forgot!!!!!! Thanks for reminding me!!!!!"
20 mins later:
"Have you got your PE bag?"
"Oh No! I forgot! I'll get it now...."
15 mins later, after non stop constant continuous marshalling to get ready, do this, do that, do this, do that:
"Right, come on, we're late again, pick up your rucksack and your PE bag we need to leave NOW"
DS hovers around putting on tie and blazer which I'd asked him to do the the past hour sling with all his other things he needs to do.
"NOW" I raise my voice, as he's making my other child late for school and me late for work.
He runs out the door, jumps in the car.
We get to school.
He turns pale and says "I've forgotten my PE bag"
"Tough" I say. " I have told you 3 times this morning to take your PE bag. I reminded you for the 3rd time right before we left home."
DS starts crying
"I will get a detention!!!!!!!!!"
His worst, absolute worst fear, is getting a detention. He's never had one, and is terrified of getting one.
"Maybe you'll learn if you get a detention " I say.
Then he starts begging and pleading with me to take him home to get his PE bag. He's crying sorry over and over again. He looks physically ill, sweating, clammy, pale.
So I drive him home to get PE bag.
My other child starts crying because now she is horribly late for school (different school) and is too young to go in by herself plus she has SEN and isn't mature enough to cope with going in by herself.
I drop him back to school. He's late. I drop DD toschool. She's late. I get 'the look' from her teachers. I drive to work. I'm late. I get disciplined by my boss.
That evening, I talk to DS for a very, very long time about the impact of his disorganisation in the mornings.
We work out that it would help him if I wrote down for him everything he needs to do in the mornings.
So I write it all out in very clear, bullet point steps. I show it to him, he thinks it's really helpful.
Great, I think.
Why didnt I think of this before.
1 week on, it's of no help at all.
This morning, he's wandering around telling me he's ready whilst simultaneously having forgotten 7 instructions in his morning list. I pointed each of the 7 things on the list out to him, staring each thing that was on the list that he hadn't done.
I told him to do them.
Went off to get other child ready to leave, I'm ready to leave, DS still not ready to leave. We were all late again.
Yesterday, he had something really important to take to school. His timetable. I askedchim SIX TIMES to put his timetable in to his rucksack (he'd got it out at home and I'd seen it in theclounge). I told him the night before, and again in the morning, 6 separate times in total "Put your timetable in to your rucksack now, otherwise you will forget" . 6 times. The 6th time was just before we left. I mean, I was getting more and more stern each time. "Put. Your. Timetable. In. To. Your. Rucksack. NOW. NOW!" We got to school. He turned pale. Panicked. "Mum I've forgotten my timetable!!!!!!!".
I point blank refused to go back and sent him in to school without it. He was really upset. Told me after school today that he'd gone to the wrong classroom at one point in the day as couldn't remember without his timetable. So I said "Go and put it in your rucksack now then, do it now".
"Ok" he says.
Dinnertime:
"Did you put your timetable in your rucksack?"
"Oh No! I got distracted! I'll do it now!"
Evening time
"Is your timetable in your rucksack?"
"No.......I forgot......."
"Go and do it immediately "
"OK...."
Bedtime, he's in bed, reading:
"Darling, is your timetable in your rucksack, did you do it?"
"No, sorry, I'm sorry mum, I forgot"
And that was that.
I lost it.
Yelled at him. For ages.
I have NEVER yelled at him before. Never.
He was devastated. So remorseful. Said sorry over and over again.
And finally, he broke my heart by sadly and quietly saying "I'm so sorry for being me. I really struggle with my short term memory mummy. I know it causes problems butvi cant help it".
He's soon to be 12.
He has not got SEN.
He's bright.
He's average at school except for maths where he's below average.
He's amazing in every other way.
He's such a good boy.
He tries so hard all of the time to do his best.
He's a clever boy.
He's a wonderful personality.
Fantastic sense of humour.
Loving.
Kind.
Affectionate.
Funny.
Friends love him.
Teachers complimentary about him.
What the hell is wrong with him in tbe mornings?????????
Am I being too hard?
Am I expecting too much????

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CowboyJoanna · 30/09/2023 22:38

Got to smile at everybody armchair diagnosing ADHD Grin

Honestly OP, this just sounds like a normal part of having a preteen son! Sounds just like my DS at the moment (and my DH for that matter, uugh getting him out the house on time is a NIGHTMARE).

Best thing you can do is leave him be. If he forgets his PE kit or his homework it's on him. Let him cry and sulk and tantrum and get a detention. The message will eventually sink in.

BrontëParsonage · 30/09/2023 23:09

CowboyJoanna · 30/09/2023 22:38

Got to smile at everybody armchair diagnosing ADHD Grin

Honestly OP, this just sounds like a normal part of having a preteen son! Sounds just like my DS at the moment (and my DH for that matter, uugh getting him out the house on time is a NIGHTMARE).

Best thing you can do is leave him be. If he forgets his PE kit or his homework it's on him. Let him cry and sulk and tantrum and get a detention. The message will eventually sink in.

But what if it is ADHD? How many soul-destroying detentions should a kid be expected to withstand? There are enough of us here with children who are neurodivergent who recognise the ‘symptoms’? What is up with being diagnosed with ADHD? It’s not like we make a fuss about people being diagnosed with stomach cancer when it could be a touch of IBS. A diagnosis is a diagnosis.

Your ‘advice’ is, frankly, unkind. Some children and adults are neurodivergent and their brains do not work like yours or mine. I get frustrated with my DD1 who is diagnosed with autism and ADHD, but I know that she cannot help it because it is how her brain works/doesn’t work. If your DP is not coping with being a fully signed- up member of the adult human race, then it could be that they are a) neurodivergent or b) a lazy misogynist who assumes that all house/homework is the responsibility of the adult human in possession of the vagina.

MrsKnows · 01/10/2023 02:40

Your message makes me so very sad.

I know more people who lack understanding and therefore lack empathy. Sometimes people are irritated and frustrated by their lack of understanding - and it comes across as callous.

It doesn’t seem that you want to be callous.

The example given about legs and running up and down stairs; did you really picture it? Did you really take time to imagine having no legs? Can you imagine yourself with no legs? Can you imagine how it would affect you, if someone with two functioning legs was running up and downstairs and telling you it was easy and saying that they could not understand why you, the person with no legs couldn’t also run?

You can superficially picture no legs. No legs therefore can’t run.

ADHD or other disorders and conditions which affect brain function are just like not having legs - but because the brain is inside the head, the deficit isn’t easy to see, just by looking.

Someone on the spectrum is someone whose condition is not neurotypical. Their condition can cause one behavioural disorder or several. Tourette’s may present anywhere from a tick or twitch to a shocking verbal rant. It can be easier to deal with because it’s clearer to see that the sufferers have a ‘condition.’

Being slow or distracted or an apparent daydreamer isn’t so easy to understand for so many people and THAT is why people can easily be unforgiving and unable to understand.

I hear, so often, the suggestions that simply bullying the person or humiliating them a few times or punishing them is all that they need to ‘behave like everyone else’ but it seems so far from the reality that it’s heartbreaking!

Of course there are naughty children who are just testing the boundaries - I’m not even sure that it IS naughty to test boundaries - and it’s easy to see they don’t have a condition because they can be reasoned with and will happily negotiate for rewards.

An ADHD sufferer will not be able to get that reward without the right help. However much they WANT to do the right thing, their mind won’t let them because it processes information differently.

The worst part is, going back to the legs analogy, when they look at themselves, they can SEE their legs - and it’s painful and confusing and frightening that their legs won’t let them run up and down those stairs, however hard they try - so when people call them bad or lazy or stubborn or stupid or manipulative or any other of the horrible names, that person, who can see their misbehaving legs but can’t control them, that same person believes they are worthless or a fraud and on top of their invisible but debilitating condition, they also have low self esteem and believe themselves to be worthless or lazy or stubborn.

It’s so sad. Please try to understand. 🙏🏼

Mummymoomingrumpy · 01/10/2023 06:03

CowboyJoanna · 30/09/2023 22:38

Got to smile at everybody armchair diagnosing ADHD Grin

Honestly OP, this just sounds like a normal part of having a preteen son! Sounds just like my DS at the moment (and my DH for that matter, uugh getting him out the house on time is a NIGHTMARE).

Best thing you can do is leave him be. If he forgets his PE kit or his homework it's on him. Let him cry and sulk and tantrum and get a detention. The message will eventually sink in.

Hmm - the “armchair diagnosis” seems to have come from parents - lots of them- who have children with ADHD and who understand the symptoms all too well. The OP has described the situation in detail and the way her lovely child has talked with her about what is going on in his head. The fact that this situation resonates with so many of us should say something. It doesn’t go away or get better by ignoring it or letting the child get on with it.

arethereanyleftatall · 01/10/2023 07:27

@potterycorner

Thank you. I'll just also say - I love people with ADHD. I love how much they think, how self aware they are, what good listeners they are.

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veryverytiredmummy · 01/10/2023 09:20

Just thought of an actual response to the "why can't you just be on time. It's easy" thing.

When faced with a sudden written task that needs doing with an urgent deadline. You just stay up all night and get it done. I mean all night. Start at 10pm. Finish at 8am after being awake since 7am day before and go to work and put a full day in afterwards

It's easy. You just do it. You stay up at the computer and write it and keep concentrating on it. All night.

Why can't you do that? It's easy. You just do it.

If you're NT you'll stop being able to concentrate at 2am at the latest. Why? It's easy. Are you stupid?

Sugarfree23 · 01/10/2023 11:43

@veryverytiredmummy
😂 hahaha!

I wrote a 10,000 word dissertation for uni while working full-time in the same in about 3 weeks. I did weeks of burning midnight oil.
I remember typing away at 5am thinking I better get to bed so I can get up at 7.30. Work was about an hour away and I made it for 9am!

I've always known I'm dyslexic, but more processing rather than vision related. This thread has go me really questioning what else is going on?

Caerulea · 01/10/2023 12:10

Not sure if you're still reading these (even the arsehole ones 🙄) but having just read your updates wanted to say you sound fantastic & really are trying your best. Quite inspiring to read tbh & your kids are lucky that you're their mum & not some of the other posters here.

Good luck with everything

PaperDoves · 01/10/2023 12:13

Oh, OP. I just wanted to say you sound like such a wonderful mother.

CowboyJoanna · 01/10/2023 16:13

I would like to apologise for my ignorant message before. I had no understanding of ADHD (to be honest, think i always thought of it the oldfashioned way as this label thrown around by lazy parents who wanted something to blame their kids naughtiness on. But reading this thread has made me sit up and realise it's a real thing. It sounds a horrible condition for anyone to go through, especially if a lot of people don't understand it (like I didn't).

Actually, I'm worried my DS might have it. He already is waiting for a dyslexia diagnosis, but DH won't hear any of it. Though he is one of those old-school people who thinks of autistic people as non-verbal, brain-damaged children in wheelchairs.

Merryoldgoat · 01/10/2023 16:33

‘Old school’ - that euphemism people use when their partner is an arsehole but they won’t admit it.

arethereanyleftatall · 01/10/2023 16:50

Old-school? No. That's vile.

FluthyFeaffers · 01/10/2023 17:02

Yes, I'm still reading, to those wondering.
I could never have imagined that when I first posted, this would turn in to a thread of nearly 1,000 messages.
I hope its helped some others as much as it's helped me.xx

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SpaceRaiders · 01/10/2023 17:06

Inattentive ADHD. This is my just turned 12 year old and starting Y7 has been equally as hard because not only I’m I managing my own diary i’m also now having to manage hers. It’s pretty brutal, I have no idea how she’s going to manage the next 6 or so years. Particularly as school is saying forgetting an item is a straight referral, and three of those means detention.

Mylovelyladylists · 01/10/2023 21:42

PaperDoves · 01/10/2023 12:13

Oh, OP. I just wanted to say you sound like such a wonderful mother.

I agree. You’re doing a great job 👏

pollymere · 01/10/2023 21:45

I'm so glad you're getting your son back. It does sound like he has the communication disorder that comes with AD(H)D). Your idea of one instruction with a time limit sounds a great one. He might need to realise there are no consequences to not meeting the time limit. Some kids love countdown timers some kids hate them. Hopefully this will help him speed up in the mornings as he'll begin to develop a routine and a level of focus on it. It's odd when the most reassuring sound is your kid spraying deodorant - in our house that means my DS has got to the getting dressed stage and is likely to be ready in the next ten minutes.

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CowboyJoanna · 01/10/2023 16:13

I would like to apologise for my ignorant message before. I had no understanding of ADHD (to be honest, think i always thought of it the oldfashioned way as this label thrown around by lazy parents who wanted something to blame their kids naughtiness on. But reading this thread has made me sit up and realise it's a real thing. It sounds a horrible condition for anyone to go through, especially if a lot of people don't understand it (like I didn't).

Actually, I'm worried my DS might have it. He already is waiting for a dyslexia diagnosis, but DH won't hear any of it. Though he is one of those old-school people who thinks of autistic people as non-verbal, brain-damaged children in wheelchairs.

@CowboyJoanna Thanks so much for your apology and taking the time to read the thread and apologise. As someone with ADHD, it means a lot, so thank you.

Would getting your DH to read this thread help at all? All the very best with your son's diagnosis, I hope he gets all the support he needs and that his Dad learns to see beyond the diagnosis to a son who needs his unconditional support and love.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 02/10/2023 08:36

OP, in case anyone hasn't suggested it in the last 10 pages... please read "Smart but Scattered ". It really helped me 5 years ago when I was pretty much in your shoes and tearing my hair out.

YourWinter · 02/10/2023 13:37

Just to say I’m following as I think my DD may find it helpful. Hats off to you OP.

Twinmum2020 · 03/10/2023 21:54

Could it be executive function? Sounds so frustrating! I think youre human♡

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