To think having XL bullies around children is child neglect?

[Eaglemom]

To think that parents who have XL Bullies in the house with children should be investigated for child neglect. Its the same as leaving a child with a loaded gun to play with. What the hell is wrong with people that are willing to take this chance with their children’s lives?

@TizerorFizz well they are working on making this type of dog an official breed aren’t they and then banning them from reproducing etc.
The fact they are going to have laws in place does mean that any reports to the police will be dealt with in a much stricter way than they do at the moment which is just having a word with the owner, them being told yes officer I will keep them under control and 2 days later they are killing somebody.
Also people will have more confidence about reporting in the first place.
Whatever measures are put in place like everything it won’t be easy, and some will fall through the cracks but we cannot just allow this to carry on, whatever laws or restrictions are brought it is surely better than nothing.

Bit them? What was the result of this bite? Broken skin? A cut? A bruise? Worst case they've been left with a small scar? When a XL bully bites you it kills you! I dont understand you people at all.

There is little that can be done at the moment about these halfwit parents who post pics on SM with an enormous aggressive looking dog cuddling up with a small child.
Yes chihuahuas DO bite but there is a huge difference between a 12lb dog and a 12 stone dog.
We just have to sit and wait until the next person is ripped apart by one of these dogs. Which you can pretty much bet Will happen

@Eaglemom I think that's too wide a generalisation to make

I know of a family where their toddler DD's life was probably saved by their XL bully. She had a seizure in bed one night and despite the door being shut and the dog being at the bottom of the stairs he knew. He barked and barked until my friends woke and discovered their DD blue and barely breathing.

They are not all killer monsters.

This is what I've been thinking/saying especially since seeing an XL bully kill someone in real life. No child should be put at that kind of risk, ever

@Eaglemom Here it’s the Kennel Club that recognises breeds. Not cross breeds. These dogs are cross breeds. You are being way too hopeful. Do you know how they are bred? Mostly under the radar.

I wouldn’t leave my child alone with any dog. I have a pug and my daughter is clumsy and heavy handed. Despite how well trained any dog is, if they are accidentally hurt they could snap because they are animals with animalistic brains. It is totally negligent to leave any child alone with a dog.

Someone I used to know from school has an XL bully that looks like its muscles have been generated by AI. The thing looks almost fictional its appearance is so intimidating. All over his facebook are photos of his 3 year old holding the dog on its lead whilst the dog stares at the camera broad chested and dead eyed. It’s so uncomfortable to look at I have unfollowed his posts.

Sorry I know it's not funny but your comment reminded me of this.

I don't think any dog should be left alone with a small child.

Not leaving a dog alone with a child isn’t enough. I was bitten on my face at the age of two by my grandmothers setter. In plain sight of my family. I have no memory of it but my family do and my sister has been put off dogs for life as a result. Luckily it was a setter as it bit and stopped. I have a faint scare now.

Our dogs were kept in completely separate areas of the house from our children when they were young. Love them but I don’t trust them 💯 because they are dogs. Even now they are older, we are careful when their friends come over as some children understandable don’t know how to behave around dogs if they’ve had no experience.

My daughters friend has an XL bully and I find myself finding excuses for plays dates at their house. It’s not that I don’t trust the owner, she’s brilliant with dogs. I just don’t trust the dog - any dog - and this one is big and strong. It’s that simple

I get so frustrated with the argument that any dog can bite. People referencing when another breed killed someone. It is not the same.
XL bully's are huge, powerful and sometimes bred for aggression. Not comparable to another large breed dog. They kill and are responsible for most fatal attacks. People don't stand a chance and if they turn, they want to kill, you only have to read pathology reports to see that.
I'm a dog lover, I have 3 but honestly these dogs need controlling responsible owners or not.

It's not that your wrong OP, but that it's hard to define and legislate. My daft mutt could be mistaken for a bulldog cross of some kind. We thought he had frenchie in him. Possibly Staffie.

He's a snaggle toothed short nosed pushover though, who can barely eat his dinner and is afraid of carrier bags. And cats

But he could fall foul of badly worded definitions.

I'm not actually concerned about him, and I dearly want something done about the bully XL types, but how you define them is the limiting issue at the moment.

Maybe dogs related to Killer Kimbo, for example.

If you have more than one room you can separate a child from a dog. It’s vital they are not together alone when a child is young. I don’t like any aggressive dog but realistically a ban is difficult to implement and police. Decent dog breeders never breed this type of dog. As a nation we now love cross breeds. Often because they don’t shed hair. It’s clearly an issue. Perhaps dog wardens is the answer? Dogs get reported to them and assessed. Then what? Put down if they aren’t passing the test?

Greyhounds are the most likely of any breed to kill a cat or smaller dog. I know I feel a lot more uncomfortable when I come across off-leash lurchers and greyhounds than I do bully breeds when I am out with DD's Chihuahuas.

If this was true we would have large numbers of greyhounds responsible for attacks on small children. Luckily, all dogs, even XL Bullies, know the difference between a small child and a prey animal.

I have no idea what is going in with XL Bullies. I agree there have been a disproportionate number of deaths attributed to them but I think we need more research before we can determine that there is something inherently wrong with the breed/type as a whole.

Atm, it appears the issue has more to do with bad ownership/the type of people these dogs attract than the breed itself. Almost all, if not 100% of the attacks, can be attributed to owner negligence and a lack of training and socialisation.

Banning XL Bullies or removing them from homes with children is not going to resolve the massive issue we have in this country with backyard breeding and inbreeding, puppy farming, and irresponsible ownership. Any large breed could become dangerous with the same set of conditions the XL Bully is currently in (over-breeding/inbreeding, irresponsible breeding (breeding for looks instead of health and good temperament) and poor ownership).

I agree

An XL Bully is NOT a breed. Breeding of them doesn’t carry any responsibility and breeding/ownership cannot be controlled. When posters say the law should be changed they seem to believe it’s easy. It’s not. Cross breeds, by definition, are not registered. How do you stop them being bred? How do you stop people owning them? It’s going to take a lot of detective work and removal of dogs but then another cross breed will take their place.

Foolish people own these dogs. Maybe the owners should be rounded up? However the dangerous dogs act does need reviewing but so far it hasn’t stopped dog attacks when everyone thought it would.

The bastard who owned the two XL bullies that mauled Ian Price to death last week had posted photos of the dogs on social media with his toddler. Stupid, evil, murdering bastard.

It absolutely is child neglect and the children should be removed from hones that have a dog like that living in them. I read an article this morning where a mum was boasting her XL bullie was always kept alone with her 6 MONTH OLD baby as he was so protective of her🙄...the dogs jaw was twice the size of the baby's head and could have decapitated her in a second. The people who own these things have very low IQ I think ( in most cases, there may be a few exceptions).

And how did they know that the dog was barking because it could magically sense the child not breathing upstairs through a closed door?

Have a look at the horrendous aggression in this video:

especially the way these two dogs 'greet' each other. They are mindless, terrifying and brutal.

Because dogs do that.
Dogs do pick up changes that aren't as they should be. That's why they get trained as assistance dogs. A friend's tells her when to sit down because she's about to have an incident.

Its hard to say when an XL bully is not actually a breed, rather a type, so there is huge variation in personality, build and strength within this type.
Saying that, however, I would NEVER leave any child unattended with any dog.

While it’s obviously right not to leave a child unattended with any dog, I’m not sure it really helps with an XL bully. After all, it’s not as if the adult could do anything of the dog attacked (which any dog can).

I think people who have dogs that could easily overpower them are insane. Having one around children is negligent beyond words.

I presume this was a reply to me. You think that a dog could tell that a child wasn't breathing through a closed door and down a flight of stairs?

Absolute BS.

I voted yabu because most dogs could kill a child. We have a young cocker spaniel and in the early days he was very mouthy (they’re apparently the bitiest dogs, nicknamed Crocker spaniels!) As his training we were ready every time handing him a toy or teddy but one day he was hyper and ran at my 15yo jumping up over and over again.I distracted him and he came over and we put him inside. 15yo is nearly 6ft and if he hadn’t been he’d definitely have gotten his face and if 15yo had been younger dog would have knocked him over and kept biting. He may have kept going, he may not. I know bullies are among the worst out there but if anyone leaves a young child with ANY dog they’re negligent