To think having XL bullies around children is child neglect?

[Eaglemom]

To think that parents who have XL Bullies in the house with children should be investigated for child neglect. Its the same as leaving a child with a loaded gun to play with. What the hell is wrong with people that are willing to take this chance with their children’s lives?

@VeterinaryCareAssistant I think that’s really unfair to say. Those men were bloody brave going anywhere near those dogs who were in full on attack mode, they did their best in a horrendous situation which they were totally unprepared for and must feel horrible that they couldn’t stop them. Imagine intervening when you are seeing in front of you the damage they are doing. From what I could see they weren’t young blokes either. The point is the dogs once they get going will stop at nothing. The fault is totally with the dogs and the owner, not the victim or the passers by who tried to help. Normal everyday people should not have to find themselves trying to fight huge killing dogs off another man as they go about their daily business and be accused of not doing enough by people who weren’t there.

Exactly, it’s very easy to point fingers at people from our armchairs watching the videos claiming we would have did X and Y were we in that situation.

The issue is those dogs shouldn’t be around to begin with and at the very least if people do insist on owning them they should be muzzled and on a leash.

@Devilsmommy so sorry you had to witness that must be dreadful 😢

I saw the video and that was bad enough. Although I didn't understand why they didn't drive a knife through both dogs heads and that would of been the end of it. Poor man might of lived

@bonbon2023 the pisstaking thing is that someone passed a folding knife over and it got put on the floor. I'd have been putting it right in the dogs neck too! Maybe with how small a knife they were worried about the dog turning and biting them🤔 or, and I can believe this after what I've read, they didn't want to kill a dog which is a fucking joke when said dog is killing a man

@Devilsmommy that's awful. It's the first thing I think about when I see things like that, just put a knife in them. A human trumps a bloody dog and I'm saying that as a dog owner myself.

Real life is so much different. Many people would say they would do XYZ if something awful happened... but then it does happen and they freeze.

Another death reported: Shiney Row: Man dies after attack by American bully XL https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67004053

Used as a weapon by the sounds of it. Hence why the ban can’t come soon enough.

Another attack on a baby yesterday, too (sorry for the fail link) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12588057/amp/XL-american-bully-dog-mauled-toddler-rushed-hospital-arrested-man.html

It will be dangerous short term, but IIRC shelters will have to euthanise rather than rehome once they're banned so if the problem persists they will eventually be rounded up and put to sleep. :)

What a fucking joke. How people can still say to keep the fuckers alive I don't know. A bloody toddler gets attacked yet again and still with the oh but they're so soft and cuddly. People make me sick🤬

This is wild. It sounds like either the dog was off lead, as he is known for walking it off lead or if not it was on a leash as per pictures and it overpowered this young fit strong looking male to attack a child.

Either way it is horrendous. And the fact he was trying to walk away is just the cherry on the icing.

I have stayed in that hotel twice btw and walked around that area. Good to see the staff sprang into action.

Are these owners living under a rock? surely all they all know what is going on, yet they are so bloody arrogant they don’t even consider theirs could be the next, no precautions taken whatsoever

This is a very, very difficult one for me.

XL Bullies apparently are not a breed like a spaniel etc.

Alsatian’s were always dogs to be scared off when I was a child, because they made a lot of noise.

we have had two Rottweilers, they are beautiful, they are intelligent, they are funny, they are loving, they are definitely part of the family, they need to be walked twice a day minimum and they need different walks to be stimulated.

We never went out to get a Rottweiler, she chose us, and when she died, we got another one, and when he goes we will probably get another one!

All dogs have the ability to be dangerous, but, all dogs can be, with the right nurturing, be truly wonderful companions, they can help people see, they can help people hear, they can help people do their shopping!

@ScroogeMcDuckling its an easy one for me.
if I were to have a dog and I’ve had plenty over the years, out of the many many breeds available o would be choosing one that first of all is known to have a nice temperament, secondly wasn’t bred purposely for aggression and thirdly if it did happen to turn, is unlikely to have the power and strength to kill a fully grown man let alone innocent children.
Not difficult at all.

But sadly, all dogs can kill.

@ScroogeMcDuckling there is a big difference from having a poodle in your home with young children to having a 9 stone xl bully and you know it.
I honestly do not get how you cannot see the difference.
It’s pretty much the reason we are reading the news every day of new deaths or serious attacks from these dogs who are not fit to be domestic pets. Also part of the reason they need banning. People cannot be trusted to use logic.

Rottweilers in the 80s we’re receiving the same sort of press as we are reading about now about the xl bully dog, hence my struggles with this topic.

I have had two Rottweilers in my home, they are beautiful, docile and placid, I hope just like their owners.

Yes that may be but if one of your dogs turned it could quite easily kill a person. Especially a child. But dog owners all like to believe they've got complete control over their pets but it's not as concrete as you all hope

But it was a case of bad press against rottweilers. A dog a day is killed by an XL Bully. There's a few attacks a week and a death every few weeks. Five adult men were fighting one off a child. No other breed has been as difficult to stop. I could lift my German shepherd up. The whole shape of XL bullies makes them impossible to stop.

All dogs don't kill.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Number of fatalities listed:
Retriever 0
Poodle 0
Labrador 0
Yorkshire terrier 0
Cavalier KC 0
Pug 0
Great Dane 0
Irish wolfhound 0
Dalmatian 0
Setter 0
Pointer 0

XL Bully 10 (all in the last 2 years)

The thing is these dogs have been in the UK for 10 years. Why have they suddenly started attacking in the last 2 years and why is the government not more interested in researching why to prevent it happening with other breeds/crossbreeds?

My gut feeling is a lot of these dogs were bought during the lockdown and have not been properly socialised or trained and are now being left for long periods of time having not been trained for this. It also explains why bites and attacks from other breeds have also risen.

It doesn't explain why this breed is more prevalent in the statistics, however, but again, I think this is more than just a breed issue. I believe it is a combination of bad breeding by unscrupulous people, unsuitable owners who are attracted to the way the dog looks, a sharp rise in popularity due to celebrity influence, and environmental factors. Adding yet another set of poorly thought-out measurements to the list of banned dogs isn't going to do anything to address any of the underlying issues. And it isn't going to reduce the number of fatalities caused by dogs.

They seem to have arrived around 2015/16, so more like 7 or 8 years ago.

There weren't very many until 2020 though, until they saw a boom in numbers - puppies of all breeds were in high demand. However, I wonder if there was an effect whereby some people felt especially vulnerable due to COVID and lockdown, and so chose a breed that would protect them / help them feel less vulnerable. Anyway, they became a lot more prevalent in 2020.

They tend to be fine until they go through adolescence, and that's when the behaviour problems really start to show. The first death was Jack Lis in November 2021, so about 18 months after lockdown began... and that very much tallies.

The PDSA reports they started seeing these dogs in 2014 but even if they didn't arrive until later on that doesn't explain why those early imports didn't start attacking people nor does it explain the rise in bites by other breeds.

Something unrelated to breed is going on and until we look at that aspect of it, nothing will change. In 2 or 3 years we will be back here debating a new crossbreed.

Why do people want bull breeds that were bred to kill.
On this list retrievers retrieve and are not listed in killings. Pointers point and are not listed in killings. Bull breeds were bred to fight and are listed in killings. There is no reason to have these dogs today.