To think having XL bullies around children is child neglect?

[Eaglemom]

To think that parents who have XL Bullies in the house with children should be investigated for child neglect. Its the same as leaving a child with a loaded gun to play with. What the hell is wrong with people that are willing to take this chance with their children’s lives?

What about other dog breeds though?
I’m not talking about chihuahuas, I’m talking about Rottweilers, huskies, terriers, collies etc.

A Dobermans bite force is as strong as a pit bull which is a banned breed.

There have been 6 deaths from dogs this year, 3 of which were XL bullies.

There were 10 deaths the year before, 3 of which were XL bullies and 2 may have been crossed with XL bullies.

I’m not saying that there isn’t an issue with these dogs but if you look at the statistics we have a big problem with more dogs than just XL bullies.

I can’t remember what they were but the statistics for dog numbers and recorded bites before the pandemic to now is quite shocking.

Many experts believe that as so many people got dogs during the lockdown but then didn’t train or socialise them properly and many were got rid of or left alone for hours when they went back to work, that it could account for the aggression we’re seeing from loads of dog breeds.

I love dogs.
I love XL bullies.
But we are becoming over run with dogs, especially ones that people cannot take care of.
We need stricter laws when it comes to who can own a dog and ensure that it’s taken care of properly.

@Sunshinenrain you say you love XL bullies. Why? What the hell is there to love? I can understand loving a cockerspaniel or west highland terrier and the hundreds of other non killing non aggressive breeds to choose from. What is there to LOVE about a breed that is pure muscle, heavier than children and as near heavy as adults, with jaws that hold until the death, who need so much training to train the killing out of them... honestly interested in what there is to love?

These days that is even truer, as people think they can get all their dog training and handling information from TV shows or TikTok - and for the last three years or so, the 'wealth' of horrific abusive training methods displayed on Tiktok and similar has sky-rocketed

@WiddlinDiddlin I agree. Ceaser Milan, and more recently, South End Dog Training, has a lot to answer for.

I also agree re lockdown. It hampered my training with my current dog. I don't have a toddler or have any in my immediate family. My previous way of socialising would have been to sit outside local parks and reward calm behaviour in the presence of small children but without parks being open I was stuck. We've done a lot of work since lockdown ended but I dread to think how people less dog-savvy coped with training/socialisation/lockdown.

I no longer work with dogs professionally. I made the mistake of starting my career in rescue work and sadly the people put me off for life but I imagine your job is 100 million times more difficult now than pre-lockdown.

Why do you love cocker spaniels or west highland terriers?

Everyone enjoys certain breeds for various reasons.

For me personally I think a lot of them are very cute.
And the ones I’ve worked with have got gorgeous personalities.

One of my favourite breeds of dog is the American bulldog because their temperament/personality is just amazing. They’re also gorgeous to look at and so I naturally like the XL bullies as they’re similar.

I also love Great Danes and Dalmatian’s.

I guess I like the aesthetic of the shape of them (trying not to offend anyone) but they’re what I call proper dogs. Like if a child was to draw a dog it would be that shape and size. Like a scooby doo.

What are your views on other dog breeds that kill, you didn’t say?

The XL bullies have killed, but they’re only responsible for half of the deaths, so surely just banning this one breed is not actually going to get to the route of the problem.

@Sunshinenrain ah well I hope you would feel good about explaining to the family of Ian Price or the families of the children who have been murdered by them that these cute dogs should remain part of our society.
I like dogs that are very very unlikely to kill me. Ones that I could easily overpower if they turned. Not these massive ugly aggressive bastards
who are bred to kill and are in the hands of people who think they should remain because they are “cute”. Fuck me. We are truly fucked aren’t we.

@Sunshinenrain I wouldn’t normally recommend this to anyone..but have you seen the video... the actual cold hard reality? ..I don’t know maybe you should ...I feel
scarred for life but not as scarred as the poor innocent bloke who was killed by these fuckers..... there is no place for This bullshit in our society just because people want to look hard or whatever other pathetic point they have to prove by being the master of a pure muscle dog... nobody is impressed by the way apart from other thick twats....but go ahead and watch the video and see what these “cute” dogs can do. You honestly make me sick.
you want a dog.. there are plenty that will not rip you or your neighbours to fucking shreds.
this breed/ cross breed ... whatever... people splitting hairs over the specific breed but we all see what they fucking are, and they do not need to exist for any reason at all.
PS...you liking the aesthetic of these bastards does not trump people like Ian price having the right to leave his house without being mauled to death by one of these vile dogs. Do you see that?

Sorry, but what on earth is possessing people to look up a video of a man being killed?

@XenoBitch it's all over the internet, I did not go looking for it. . On the one hand I wish I’d never seen it, on the other the cold reality might wake these owners up. Either way...owning a dog capable of this and continuing to defend them vs seeing a video of the reality what they can do ... what is worse? I think if it was me I’d want it forced in the face of every xl bully owner in the land.
Funny how your concerns are about viewing the video and not about the actual dogs ripping a man to death.
Why is your first concern more about the video and not about the dogs killing a man? That’s truly sickening.

@XenoBitch i tell you something else, that video has prompted me to find out and advise my kids in what to do if they are ever attacked by one of these to give them the best shot at surviving.
your horror really needs to be directed to the right place which should rightly be towards these dogs and their shitty owners.

I'd argue that encouraging people, any people, to view such a horrific video, even in the face of surviving family members asking people not to do so, is far more sickening than owning any type of dog.

Please, for the love of all things good and holy, do not look up that video, for any reason. The people who recorded and uploaded it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, imo.

Sorry, but what is possessing people to bury their head in the sand and continue defending dogs that are killing people in the most horrific way?

Yes it’s truly horrific and I’ve had actual nightmares and panic attacks since, I wish I’d never seen it,hence this whole post, it is truly the worst thing I’ve ever seen and I’m a nurse, but doesn’t it say something when a video horrifies people more than the fact that a man has lost his life? So British to sweep things under the carpet. I’m sure it suits many to imagine it was a quick and unfortunate death but sorry to burst your safe little bubbles... it was anything but, and if anything should bring real change. The mere fact of “knowing” about previous child and adult deaths at the jaws of these dogs has done nothing.

That video depicts the harrowing final moments of a man, a real-life human being's, final moments. The final moments, which sadly, had to be witnessed first-hand, by his mother.

Unless his family requests so, which they have done the opposite, basic respect and human decency should dictate that we avoid watching this at all costs.

I despair for humanity. I really, really do and it is not because of the other sentient beings we chose to brutalise for our means.

I despair for humanity too... that fuck all has been done while these dogs have killed over and over again.

Its not the dogs, its the owners that the problem
I got bitten by a mean little yorkie, for no reason it was really aggressive
but i've never felt unsafe around rottweilers or pitbulls they are the sweetest dogs
they need to introduce some sort of dog license where owners are trained and have to pass a test to own a dog,
plus prove they can care for the dog properly
and if their dogs attack anyone, the owner should serve jail time

I'm not disagreeing with you about XL bulldogs, but re it barking...from what I understand, dogs can sense a change in hormones when epileptic fits etc are about to happen which is why dogs are trained as assistant dogs. So it could well have been that! Or just something else instead that caused it to bark!

@truthhurts23 for gods sake... just look at these bloody things. Of course it’s the dogs! They are bred to be aggressive, they are absolutely massive and pure muscle and jaws that can and will kill you in seconds. Just stop this crap. Put them next to a poodle and see which you’d bet your life on being safe with.
my friend has had one since a puppy and she’s been battling with it’s ferocious nature since day one.
Yes the owners are at fault too... obviously are certain types of people who are attracted to these
Kinds of dogs...I mean what sort of decent person would choose one of these over all
The other breeds on offer?
Aggressive natured, strong Massive dogs and shitty owners is a horrifically dangerous mix.

The family have begged people not to watch it or share it. Sorry you had such a visceral reaction to watching it, but you brought that on yourself... and I can't help but feel your extreme reaction to it is why you are being very vocal about the dogs... even having a go at someone who does not think they are "ugly".

Yeah that’s done absolutely sod all to think its all worth it then. No. The dog barked because it heard something. That’s what they do. Doesn’t go any way near cancelling out the death toll sorry

Yes but I’ve been horrified by these dogs for a long time. Ever since my friend for some ridiculous reason thought she’d have one as a family pet she’s since been
messaging me how much it’s destroying her life.
I am not sure how reacting in horror to the actual true reality of what these dogs have done is an extreme reaction? If anything others have not have reacted enough. You truly cannot react extremely enough to the true horror of what those dogs did and the same scenario has played out far too many times.
But please can you explain to me what the limit of horror should be even when just being given the verbal details of these attacks? Am I being silly and should I just get over it? Should the victims family? Should it just be shrugged off after a day? Or two? What do you think as you are the expert apparently on the limits of reaction? What is extreme about not wanting these things on the street and being capable of killing more people I do not know or my family or kids?

@Eaglemom

I've not watched the footage but having studied wolves and other Canidae I can only imagine how horrifying that footage is however the victim's family has explicitly requested that the video is not shared or viewed by the general public.

What makes you think that your desire to have this type of dog demonised even more than it has already has been by people who, at the end of the day, have precisely zero impact on the current laws, trumps the family's right to privacy, dignity or respect?

I'm confused about people seemingly stating that XL bully type dogs have "only" caused around 50% of the recorded dog deaths over the last couple of years...

Given the number of dog breeds in existence, for 50% of deaths to come from 1 single breed/type shows a clear problem.

And what are the statistics on attacks overall vs deaths?

This is is a complete straw man argument, whether footage of an attack is viewed or not does not change the reality of the situation or the validity of of the discussion.

@beeswaxinc OP is encouraging people to watch the death of a man whose family has explicitly asked the public not to do so. That is beyond sick. It's no longer anything to do with dog breeds. It's a matter of basic human decency.

@ItWillWash you are right. I truly wish I’d never come across that footage, it’s probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen and much worse than that, the family didn’t want it out there. As I said I didn’t go looking for it, it was out in my face, and I truly regret standing there in horror for those few seconds and I am truly sorry to the family and their wishes come first, but I will never accept that any reaction to the reality is too extreme.
As I said, if anything the overall reaction to this truth is nowhere near extreme enough. I shall never trust or regret wanting these dogs wiped out..they and their owners have demonised them of their own accord, and I very much hope that not your, mine or anyone else’s family members find themselves in the jaws of one of these as they innocently go about their daily business.
I just cannot understand anybody not taking this seriously enough. I regret saying that those who disagree should see the video, I just wish there was a way for them to wake up to the reality of what these dogs do.
please please keep your kids away from these dangerous dogs. You cannot trust them.
RIP to Ian, nobody deserves that.