To think there is a sub-class of people in our society

[bluewanda]

Baby boy died in 'filthy' home with 'traces of cocaine in his system'

https://mol.im/a/12545263

What the hell is wrong with these people. How the fuck can they subject an innocent baby to such a horrific life?! These children should be removed at birth because they don’t stand a chance. It is so utterly depressing.

Every GP practice, every taxi and even every bar has a sign up saying "abuse will not be tolerated" but apparently it's ok to abuse your first set of kids, have them removed and be free to go and have more. We should not tolerate this. Enough is enough, it needs to stop.
I have been involved in safeguarding cases where I have seen the abuser make a formal complaint of "harassment" against a social worker and all social services were stepped down. The system has lost its courage.

That small but horrendous detail made me so upset. That poor little boy.

No. Imagine someone with a traumatic brain injury that wrecked the part of their brain that does empathy. You can't 'teach' them empathy after that. The hardware is broken.

Then what is the answer?!

What confuses me and I’m from an Immigrant family is how can my Grandparents and parents come here and work in foundaries, mills etc then buy businesses and now we are lawyers and doctors. They came from another country from poverty. They couldn’t speak English or read or write it, yet here are their children and grandchildren in professional jobs.

Whereas those born with the privilege of being born and brought up in this country are trapped in a poverty cycle but we came from poverty, no benefits system and knew education was our way out.

The point of it is.. what kind of ‘human’ takes action to put cocaine in defenceless child’s body.. the point is.. that person(s) had a choice! Social demographics, the past and the sad state of affairs that lead to it don’t come into it.. it is an adults.. a parents responsibility to keep their child is safe. They went beyond neglect. This is the result of an action with intent.
Its just horrendous.

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@bluewanda currently up feeding my dc of same age, which is probably why this has affected me so much. Quite emotional.

Absolute sub class. Scum of the earth. Poverty is often used as an excuse for negligent parenting, but let’s be real they could afford fucking class A drugs!

How about we blame the government who have made those professionals' jobs so difficult, that they're now almost impossible? It's easy to blame the people on the ground, but they're the ones who actually care, who are trying to do something, with no time, resources, necessary support services, adequate staffing etc, and often at great personal expense. The government don't care. If they did, it wouldn't have got to this on their watch. Elect some people who actually care.

So you're advocating sterilisation then? If they cannot EVER safely care for a child?

Pay them to get sterilised voluntarily? Then if they overdose with their new found wealth you’ve killed two birds with one stone.
Ok! I’m not 100% comfortable with that as an option but my god these stories would make you cry.

I didn't.

Still think the language on this thread is outright eugenicist/Untermenschen shite rhetoric, though.

There has always been a underclass, there always will be I think.

Intergenerational poverty is not the fault of the poor. It is a feature of capitalism, not a bug.

You are seriously labelling all people who may be vulnerable, have had chaotic lives or other crimiogenic needs as a sub class. That's really horrible

I'm knocking on the door of 70. Lived under many, many governments. Worked for the Civil Service under many, many Governments.

Born in a Council flat, lived in Council homes till I was 25.

There was, are, and ALWAYS will be the "dregs". They were/are the ones with a mattress/fridge/car in the yard.

Their kids went to school with me, sometimes. They stank. They weren't fed regularly. They despised kids who were not like them. Undoubtedly they were troubled and jealous, but beating the crap out of other kids didn't alleviate their lot nor does it excuse them.

You will never, ever, solve this. All you can reasonably do is stop the cycle and take the children away from the crap parents.

Can’t bring myself to read the story but have an understanding from the comments.

I’ve been watching a lot of Soft White Underbelly on YouTube recently. It really does show how these cycles of neglect and abuse are completely embedded and so difficult to turn around. Having said that sometimes the story is in a different league of deprivation as this one appears to be.

I don’t know what the answer is. There are often many programs available for these communities to take advantage of but there is such a lack of engagement. I grew up around people who were permanently on benefits or working horrible minimum wage jobs scratching around from day to day. It spurred me on to get the hell out of there.

He was probably left in There most of the time. I feel like he just lost the will to live. His life would have been terrible if he lived. May he rest in perfect peace in God's arms😇

If they do does that mean this abuse is less abhorrent? Being on benefits has nothing to do with abusing children or taking drugs. I have zero time for this attitude.

I’m ok with eugenics in some instances. Especially if it’s to protect children from the kind of life and death this baby experienced.

We need to seriously reconsider the wisdom of paying addicts benefits in cash. All they do is immediately go and score, caring nothing for anyone or anything else. A childless single person on UC over 35 with the "disability" element and the lowest rates of PIP is getting well over £1100 pcm cash in hand. Housing costs and Council Tax are also generally paid in full and there's plenty of free food for the taking

There is no answer. It will continue to get worse.

Thanks to fascism, no western state is even going to 'offer' voluntary sterilisation to people who should not have children.

No society can or will pay the exorbitant costs to take into 'care' the ever-increasing quantity of children that people like this will have as this cycle continues unchecked. There aren't even enough people willing to actually care for such children even if they were paid, because many as I said are brain damaged in utero and have serious problems.

Alcoholism and drug addiction will never end unless you're willing to go Saudi, which you're not.

Western countries have laws and cultures limiting the power of the state to remove children from their families, for obvious enough reasons.

There are definitely some parents who should not be allowed leave hospitals with their new babies. And those babies should be put up for adoption, not passed around from foster home to foster home while their parents sort out their lives. The pendulum has swung too far and 'rights' are being accorded to people who are simply not capable of providing a safe and stable environment for their children. The fact that they might eventually pull themselves together is not a good reason to leave their children living in limbo, not knowing where they belong, being pulled between foster and natural parents for years. The rights of the children to a safe and secure home and parents who can care for them should come first.

But when the crap parents are breeding faster than the good parents we really will have a problem! What happens then ?