To think there is a sub-class of people in our society

[bluewanda]

Baby boy died in 'filthy' home with 'traces of cocaine in his system'

https://mol.im/a/12545263

What the hell is wrong with these people. How the fuck can they subject an innocent baby to such a horrific life?! These children should be removed at birth because they don’t stand a chance. It is so utterly depressing.

Fuck me. Some people are just subhuman. They should be sterilised after this.

You get fewer of these kinds of social problems in countries with less inequality. When the government talks about “levelling up” it’s these communities and people who need to benefit most. But it’s all rhetoric, they don’t actually do anything to solve these issues.

People from any background (rich or poor) can have a terrible upbringing, but guess what, 99.9999% of them don’t end up in this situation. To me your response feels like you are trying to excuse this baby’s parents in some way. The only person I feel sorry for in this situation is that poor little child - a four month old baby who was found dead with class A drugs in his system.

a classic case for compulsory sterilisation!!! baby should have been removed from mother's care while in the hospital!!!!!!

I agree. It’s nothing to do with poverty or social class. However social services are stretched to the limit now so I think we will see more cases like this until they get proper funding.

Tbf I think those two would fall into the sub-class. It's not necessarily about social status but a mindset of depravity and entitlement that would put the people into OP's sub-class if I've understood the sentiment correctly.

That poor baby

Some lives never really stood a chance.

There absolutely is a subclass of people in society. They are not a disgrace!! They are learning disabled/ child abuse victims/ foetal alcohol syndrome/ physically disabled/ low IQ/ care system survivors/ mentally ill/ veteran PTSD survivors.... We neglect them. We know full well that they can't cope with life in general and parenthood in particular but we don't want to pay more taxes so we leave them to their own devices and this is what happens. We could improve the outcomes for the children of these failing families but most of us don't want to. It costs £200,000 per year to keep a child in care. Unsurprisingly that's an unpopular use of public money.

Precisely.

Once a woman has had a child removed from her 'care' then every subsequent one she pops out should be permanently removed, no questions asked. Those blaming the 'system', surely the first blame should be the breeders.

The thing is they are human. They aren't other. They walk among us. That's what I find so hard to comprehend.

Yes, so "snobby' to think neglecting and killing your baby is wrong. And the poor mother! No one ever telling her not abusing your baby is wrong. Isn't everyone else just awful and she's just a poor lamb!

So the murderers who killed Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo-Hughes (to give just two examples) were simply neglected individuals who deserve our pity and forgiveness? As if. Some people are just pure evil, end of.

Yes I agree.

The story about Shannon Matthews comes to mind.

These people are for lack of a better word feral. I know these type of people, I’ve grew up around them. They’re nocturnal, sleep all day and stay up all night drinking. Sleep with different people without any thought, bring kids into this world with no sense of responsibility and expect the world to bend over backwards for them. Then the kids see 2-3 generations of family who don’t work or look after themselves and the cycle continues. I don’t know how you break it.

You can’t even call them “working class” because none of them have ever worked a day in their lives.

In response to poster suggesting professionals should protect children@Bemyclementine the parents should have protected the child . Or anyone who insight into the family . Eg parent friends/ friend if they visited home
child protection is everyone’s duty
Children services were involved - but unless they have good evidence cannot force enter into the home.
They likely didn’t have enough evidence to put child on CP register. They cannot make a judgement based on past behaviour alone
I don’t understand the expert suggesting ‘a child in need’ should be seen weekly ( that’s a CP requirement). If a family decline input- without good reason children services legally cannot enforce visits - so perhaps blame the courts/ laws for not protecting the child- not just the local authority.

Well yes @bluewanda re. Your above post. The poor baby killers, they're the ones who need the sympathy!

Yes, that protects the children from birth, which is great. But most of them were already brain damaged or even addicted in utero from the alcohol, smoking, drugs, not eating properly, not attending prenatal care etc. They're in trouble before they're even born.

Probably cultivating Cannabis.

I didn't say that at all and this article doesn't day anything about benefits, so why associate people on benefits with child murders.

They likely didn’t have enough evidence to put child on CP register. They cannot make a judgement based on past behaviour alone

In the article it says the mother had had previous children removed. Surely that means they should have been monitored like a hawk at the very least?

Compulsory sterilisation.

That is very odd - typically, drug addicts on a low income won't spend on anything not absolutely necessary other than drugs. So you would not expect an overheated house in February.

Child abuse correlates with socioeconomic class.

Rochdale again. What a shocker. Ffs that entire council, social services etc should be disbanded.

@Fallingthroughclouds so you think that these 'parents' contribute at all to society/their own existence?