To think there is a sub-class of people in our society

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Baby boy died in 'filthy' home with 'traces of cocaine in his system'

https://mol.im/a/12545263

What the hell is wrong with these people. How the fuck can they subject an innocent baby to such a horrific life?! These children should be removed at birth because they don’t stand a chance. It is so utterly depressing.

@JethroTullandhishorse

What bullshit you spout . Another lazy comment about politics . Easy to blame everyone else all the time . That's why nothing ever changes, people always making excuses for these sun humans .

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@JethroTullandhishorse so do you think that the Torys have created a.demographic of people who don't understand that you shouldn't treat.a baby like this?
That people who kill their child should be treated with sympathy 'cos its not their fault'?

I agree OP. There are a minority of people who just take and never give, who are careless with their own and their children’s lives, who lack the intelligence to understand the consequences of their actions and who’s selfishness overrides anything else in their lives.
The threshold for children being removed at birth should be raised significantly. half the issue is that children are negatively affected if they form a (awful abusive traumatic) bond with their parent and then removed as a child.

No. Her parents were upper class, she wasn’t. You are not what your parents were. Not as an adult.

And @JethroTullandhishorse what are 'societial protections' is it "oh poor lambs, no one in the last 5 generations has ever worked,nor course they need everything provided to them'?

So the sub class are people on benefits? Please don't lump people together like this. There are plenty of people who need to claim benefits who don't neglect their children and there are many people who are high earners who abuse. Your comments are really prejudiced.

What a load of bollocks.

If Labour had been in for the last decade there would still be feral scum like this killing their kids.

Do you refer to them as sub-class in an effort to distance yourself as you find it so shocking to believe a human can act in this way? It is shocking. If this is how you cope then sure define them as a different type of human.

There is and had always has been a percentage of people in any human society who struggle to meet basic expectations. It may be they have low iq, it may be genetic predispositions to addiction, it can be perpetuating cycles of poor upbringing/traumatic childhoods. It can be sheer fucking bad luck (bereavement induced etc).

In the distant past people lived in smaller communities where there was probably more awareness of people who needed support, a village to step in. There were nonetheless children who died from poor care, adults who drank etc.

It is a bloody tragedy, call it what you will.

Poor baby. I was shocked to read that when he died (in February 2021) the police said the temperature in the house at 3.30am was 26 degrees. Did the parents just never turn the heating down or off? Were they not boiling hot?

I don't necessarily agree that she shouldn't be given another chance. For instance, if id been a 19 year old, drug addicted prostitute who'd had a child removed, but then cleaned up my act by 25 and had a job, home and new life, I wouldnt think that a child born to me 10 years later at age 35 should be removed at birth.

BUT, any child born to a mum who has lost previous children to the care system, should automatically go on a CP plan because of mum's history (I know that's not how it works and there has to be an ICPC for the unborn child etc)

But, I think for a mum to have had previous children removed, an automatic CP plan for subsequent children would be a good idea.

It's a very difficult one: I do believe people can change, but cases like the one I outline above are so vanishingly rare as to be almost non existent.

There are about 8 billion people on this Earth. I do not believe all 8 billion people are inherently good. I do not believe we can blame society or environment for all fucked up behavior. Some people are simply despicable.

Well no, that's not what I got from @Dacadactyl I got, that if it wasn't for the benefits system paying for these 'parents' lifestyle this couldn't have happened. ^you' are the one who made the jump to say anyone on benefits would do this.

I don't think it's as simple as a "subclass". The mother most likely had a dreadful upbringing herself hence why she ended up the way she did. It's just a very very sad situation but I really don't think your label is appropriate here. It sounds a bit of a snobby term tbh.

I call them the 'underclass'.

Yeah, parents not to blame at all!

Those parents are addicts. The baby should have been removed. Lots of children left languishing in the care of drug users and alcoholics.

It is not a sub-class. It is people who choose substance abuse over their kids and who cannot be a parent of any kind.

I wish the system was quicker with instant removal and adoption for these poor babies.

Lessons will be learnt. Don't forget.

Lessons will be learnt. Don't forget.

My late mum was a foster mum and I can’t begin to tell you the horror stories we had come through our home. Social services doesn’t like to split the families up despite alarm bells. We had one child repeatedly admitted to hospital due to the mother smothering him (later found out bf asked her too) SS said she’d be ok if she got rid of the bf WTF!? Mothers having babies taken from them at birth due to drink, drugs, the list goes on, only for them to be pregnant again within weeks.

Thankfully most of my mums babies went on to be adopted to loving families.

No, people on benefits are not a subclass. That's obvious and goes without saying.

I think you will find that this subclass of people we are speaking about are, on the whole, on benefits. Which is not to say, "all people on benefits are a subclass"

If those responsible aren’t sub-class I would be very, very, very, extremely shocked.

Agree.
No excuses can justify this.
Absolute scum.

Already had children removed from their care previously. Refused entry to a social worker. It should be made law that if these scumbags refuse entry, the police should be called to force entry.
And it's about time the relaxed attitude to drug taking in this country was addressed.