To think this just sums up XL Bully owners?

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Look North last night. Peter Levy is interviewing a woman who owns two XL Bullys. Both cropped and docked which she says happened in another country before she got them (yeah, course it did).

Peter asks her “so why do people want these dogs in the first place, what’s the attraction for you?”

She replies “well I wanted dogs that were good with kids and famines and stuff so we got XL Bully’s cos they’re great with kids”

Wtf? If I didn’t know better I’d swear this was a spoof interview. Good with kids and families?? These dogs have been responsible for the most human deaths in dog attacks in the UK in recent years!!! Just last week an 11 year CHILD was attacked by one of these dogs … so when looking for a child friendly dog she bypasses the golden retriever etc and goes for the breed with the biggest track record of killing humans …

He then asked her if she will comply with the muzzle when the laws are changed - she said NO.

Then the cherry on the cake … he asked her “would you leave your child alone with these dogs?” And she said “yes, absolutely. I leave my two year old alone with them all the time whilst I’m busy making dinner etc”

Honestly the interview couldn’t have been any more gobsmacking.

This just sums up XL bully owners doesn’t it? Thick as pig shit with no regard to their own safety or the safety of others.

Christ what a typo - we SHOULDN'T ignore genetics that should've said...!
And yes I agree they should be banned. That's the problem- it's not the fault of the genuinely good owners and nice dogs, it's the result of the others but it is too out of control now.

Indeed. I have managed to throttle a large dog (think 11 stone plus) whilst it was attacking another dog but only because the dog already had a choke chain attached. I was at a stable yard where there were plenty of lead ropes around so I was able to clip a lead rope onto the choke chain and pull. But I don't recommend doing this. You risk quite a lot of damage to yourself and even if it works, which it did, throttling a dog is not for the faint-hearted.

I did see the Ian Price video and that is one of the things that shocked me. The dogs didn't seem to be snarling or angry. They did look like they were enjoying themselves.

I saw a guy with one yesterday, being pulled along by it. His response was to yank the lead and shout "stop fucking pulling". Clearly had no idea about training.

Most people I see with badly behaved dogs seem to do similar - give them verbal instructions like "be quiet" or "calm down" or whatever. I feel like pointing out that dogs don't speak English. (I don't do it, obviously.)

Out of curiosity I've read about daschund meets, golden retriever meets.... So if xl bully dogs are gentle nanny dogs etc why do the organisers of bully dog protests not want said dogs there?.

Not a breed of dog I would own, or anyone I know would consider for that matter. They are so unattractive, and dangerous, any dog can snap, but one this size with enormous strength is catastrophic.

I feel more sorry for the people they kill!

The regulations are neutering and muzzling, there's no cull 🙄

Post-2016, idiots in this country have been given too much of a voice.

I watched a YouTube video from The Times last night where people were defending the dogs.

A woman was on there who was a foster carer. She said she wanted a dog who could take a bit of "rough and tumble" from her foster child so these dogs were perfect for that.

It's sick.

Till the dog bites the kids face off, why would you take the chance.

Please complain to the tines and to social services, this woman is clearly unfit to Foster any child, wtf?
The law needs to be about weight, size and jaw size. There is no need for any dog to be so big. Maybe with licensing for say farm and guide dogs and no others allowed those larger breeds. Otherwise they'll just start with another big one.

Also vets and police need the power to immediately pts any dog that bites another dog, bites a human or shows aggression like it is about to. No second chances, no rescue centres. One warning for being out of control say no recall without a lead, then caught again the dog is pts. We need to enforce the rules.

I saw a couple interviewed on local TV and they had a trainer who was putting a muzzle on their bully dog.. So far so good the dog was compliant but when the dog stood up he nearly dragged the bloke on to the ground, he wasn't being aggressive but if he was there's no way he could have stopped him. There's just no need for a domestic animal to be that powerful!.

Who enforces this? And who pays them to enforce?

It is sad fact of life there will always be thick bald headed bastards that need to have really dangerous dogs. They always insist on having loads of thick kids too, so the cycle never ends.

I don't know about XL bullies being subject to being bred, the same laws should have been applied to some people!!!!

Sadly the very type of people drawn to the more aggressive dog breeds/types are the absolute worst types to have them.
Often impulse bought and not properly exercised or trained.

I saw that foster carer.
It was frankly appalling.

The woman is older, physically not strong, and the XL Bully she has is ''Reactive''.

Quote ''I pacifically {sic} wanted a dog that could take a lot of rough and tumble from the children so they can be as rough as they like with the dog''
Interview with Foster carer takes place @ 5 mins timestamp.

She took it to see a neighbour who breeds these brutes, and he is a so called ''Trainer''

He took TheTimes reporter with him on a walk, and if that is the level of training, it's worrying.

The dog he was with was focussed on other dogs, not the 'trainer'

This is the dog she bought so her foster children could be ''rough'' with it., as ''foster children can struggle with being gentle ''@Boomboom22

Surely Social Services ought to be made aware of the risk to the children in that foster home.

No, your argument is flawed. Hundreds of greyhounds are destroyed by the racing industry every year cecause the won't run / chase.
I have a lurcher who has no idea what she was bred for, which I'd probably the reason she was dumped at a rescue. There are collies bred from long working lines who are rehomed as pets because they have no interest in herding.
XL bullies are not all the same and neither are their owners.
They have been bred to be big and intimidating, which I don't agree with at all, some may be inheretantly aggressive, some will be made to be due to bad / incompetent owners and some will be fantastic family pets.
Your generalisation is poorly thought out and frankly insulting to some XL owners.

The fact that there are exceptions doesn’t mean the general principles aren’t true. They are. Dogs are bred for particular character traits. As a group herding dogs do have an instinct to herd, retrievers retrieve, guarding dogs guard etc. and dogs bred for fighting and aggression have a natural tendency towards fighting and aggression.

The behaviours aren’t always just directed at other animals and dogs either. It’s well known that collies can also naturally, unprompted direct their herding towards children not just farm animals. You cannot guarantee that fighting dogs or those bred from them like Bully XLs will only direct their aggression towards other dogs.

@CrossBun I was replying to the op's commen:
Get a border collie and try and train out the instinct to herd …

Get a greyhound and try to train out the instinct to chase
Not sure what went wrong.
I absolutely agree with you.
I Personally would never fully trust any dog, they are animals who can not vocalise what they're thinking therefore reactions will always hold an element of unpredictability. Even my loopy lurcher who has never displayed an ounce of aggression to anyone.

XL bullies should never have been bred, along with many other breeds and for many reasons but here we are and we are having to manage the traits of the breed, whether the dog has displayed them or not. The route cause is a lack of regulations regarding breeding and ownership.
But I stand by my comment that the Op's generalisation about the owners of XL bullies is insulting and wrong.

Most if not all Greys are no longer in training are simply not fast enough, or they have an injury that precludes them from being in training.
I have never yet met a greyhound , lurcher or Whippet that doesn't chase, given enough stimulus.

A couple of retired Greyhounds 'oldies' {one with a hock injury} snapped their leather leads taut as their elderly owner was almost pulled off his feet- they were ambling along until they spied a cat who bolted.

They were immediately different hounds- ears up, one shrieked a yodel of excitement, as they strained against their collars.

Maybe chasing a lure isn't as 'exciting' but they all chase and have that instinct.

A fleeing squirrel, bunny or hare will trigger the years of selection.
Most Racing greys will be bred from parents who chase - no one will breed from a non chaser, especially not in Eire where it is a business and the Greys are seen as 'Livestock' not pets.

Scanning the far horizons for a movement is what Sighthounds DO.

XL Bullies are hardwired to go for other dogs in particular, {Bred from fighting mauler type dogs} but seem to have found an outlet in vulnerable children or the elderly especially.

Farmers/shepherds use Border Collies to herd as they excel at it.

Terriers are used for rats. You cannot 'train' out basic DNA that has been selected for by humans for hundreds of years.

If you want to go to the Arctic, you'd select a team of Malamutes. Hardwired to pull and work as a team.

My ex bil is an accountant.

He's an absolute chav.

And he's currently alienating and discarding his kind, well intentioned daughters, his sister and his Mum with his choice of partner and total truculence on every front, including his partner's behaviour.

(That includes a kind well intentioned dd who paid his mortgage when he was unemployed).

He managed to crash his car into the front of his own house.

Being an accountant - or anything - means fuck all.

Interestingly even he doesn't get bullies as his pets.

Hundreds of greyhounds are destroyed by the racing industry every year cecause the won't run / chase

Mm, won't run fast enough