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List of rules for visitors

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WhyamIprocrastinatingonhere · 10/09/2023 17:33

My friend has just had a baby and her husband has sent out a list of rules before we visit. No visitors for at least 10 days. No advice to be given by visitors or sharing their experiences. Only stay an hour. Visits to be arranged in advance to fit around breastfeeding. There’s an Amazon gift list, if we wish. Wash your hands. Get changed if vaping or smoking. You probably won’t get to hold baby. Don’t kiss baby. Give baby back immediately to mum if crying etc etc.

I really was looking forward to going round to this friend’s house as we are super close, but now I will worry about saying the wrong thing, or offering unwanted advice. Or what if the baby is eating its hands or nuzzling, do I give it back to my friend and say it’s hungry but she will be offended because she will take that as unwanted advice.
I have 3 kids and breastfed them all, but I didn’t produce enough milk when I had the first. If someone else hadn’t told me about cluster feeding to get the milk supply going, I might have given up. Also, I could never arrange times for people to visit around breastfeeding because it just doesn’t work like that with many breastfed babies.
When I had my kids I wanted people to share my happiness and to meet my baby and have cuddles. I find it strange when people produce lists like this or don’t want people holding their babies. AIBU that this is too much? And I had a horrible Labour and then a c section with 1 baby and 1 child was in NICU for a bit.
By The way, this friend came round my house absolutely loads when my babies were small and used to stay all day and all evening. I never minded. I thought it was lovely that she took such an interest in my kids, but now she won’t let anyone even stay more than an hour or give advice, with her own baby. So now I think I might stay away and not have the same relationship with her kids as she’s had with mine, because I am too worried about doing or saying the wrong thing and I shall feel like I am not really wanted there.

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kthnxbai · 12/09/2023 04:39

Call her. DH is being a bit of a nob inadvertently or otherwise alienating those around her. Reconnect and reassure. Go from there?

nightm8re · 12/09/2023 06:34

I'm not saying this is a postnatal mental health issue, but it absolutely could be, and it's genuinely sad the number of people saying they'd just sack off an otherwise great friend rather than check to see what's going on,

littleorchard45 · 12/09/2023 07:18

My concern is PND here - husband is trying to protect her. The things like changed clothes after smoking etc are standard as you don’t want a new born coming into contact with. The not giving advice/ comparisons is - I think - as she perhaps is in a fragile mental state and can’t cope. Same with long visits. She just might not be able to cope, and not being there around breastfeeding may mean she’s either struggling or just finds it a bit exposed still.

Hibiscrubbed · 12/09/2023 07:44

Staplesonstamps · 10/09/2023 18:59

I’m the minority clearly but I have no issues with any of that.

it SHOULD be common sense but quite frankly having had to deal with all of this after each descent of the masses after having a baby I can see why they’ve tried to head things off at the pass.

Fag stinking visitors thinking a quick hand wash is sufficient then wanting to hold the baby snuggled into their fag smoke jumper whilst hoofing fag breath on them. Yep that was my mother and a few other relatives

Unwanted advice “once he’s three weeks start putting rusk/rice in the formula, just cut the top of the tear open to let the sludge thickened formula out. No thanks MIL I am breastfeeding and that’s not recommended anymore. Cue dramatic bust hoofing with folded arms “didn’t do my kids any harm” I live with the poisonous miasma that is your sons bowels, pretty sure it might have done.

Unwanted sharing of own experiences “I couldn’t breastfeed, I couldn’t have a vaginal birth etc” with some long emotional story as to why. I get that new babies bring up stuff for people but I don’t know that a new mum who’s just trying to enjoy early weeks is the person to be telling all this too.

“my Robbie was only 4lbs born” said proudly whilst eyeing up my average sized newborn like it’s some gaffrollping monster troll.

Relatives passing the baby round all the visiting kids too and not handing them back when the baby is clearly gnashing like a basilisk wanting fed, only relinquishing their grubby grip once the baby is thrashing about crying and red faced.

People hanging about for fucking HOURS right up and into dinner time meaning we either offer them a meal or start cooking ours and nothing for them.

I get the more assertive women of mumsnet would just be like “right I’ll have me baby back now for a feed” or “we are doing our tea now, nice to have seen you, we will call and arrange a meet again soon” but some of us just can’t be like that as we have The Fear of upsetting people. So a heads up before anyone comes so people know not to be dicks might be helpful and anyone who is mortally offended need not come round. If they wouldn’t do these things, the list isn’t really for them, it’s for the people who unthinkingly would because as I say it should be common sense but for some people it just isn’t!

Id add no strong perfumes or aftershaves to the list too! i hated it when my baby came back to me reeking of perfume. It didn’t feel right and I felt weird and sad about it. The smokers seemed to think a good going over with impulse spray magicked off all the fag toxins……

This is quite a bitter post, and I’m not sure the people in your family are particularly typical…

londonrach · 12/09/2023 07:47

I wouldn't bother visiting. I know I say something. Yanbu

Pandajane · 12/09/2023 07:49

You say 'we're super close' I say 'I'm a passive aggressive narcissist who is annoyed by my friend setting boundaries when I want to control her' . But hey, Tom-ay-to/tom-a-to eh?

LadyBird1973 · 12/09/2023 08:38

@Pandajane , I think you've lost touch with reality there. The only controlling being done is by the friend and her husband. People do have the right to be a bitHmm and decline this lovely opportunity to be dictated to, right down to acceptable topics of conversation and gifts!

Alisondewy · 12/09/2023 08:51

She might be really struggling. Ask if she is OK by private message and offer your help.

Lucyh999 · 12/09/2023 09:14

I think this is f outrageous. Why would anyone want to suck all the joy out of such a special moment for themselves too? It’s so weird!

it’s presumptuous and rude. Takes a village to raise a child and like you said sharing experiences with friends etc is how we learn sometimes. Even if that is how to politely decline/ignore info because it doesn’t seem right for you.

This is one of the saddest and oddest things I’ve heard. Maybe you should explain to her why you feel you can’t go and check she’s ok because it doesn’t sound like the actions of someone who is fine!

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 12/09/2023 09:15

To be fair a lot of these are common sense...and yes most people will follow these rules...but most of us will have met people who don't. I've had visitors that have turned up with bad colds that they've passed to my baby. Stinking of perfume or smoke and expecting to hold the baby. Wanting to cuddle them constantly even when I've asked for them back ('oh they're fine here, they love me, look!). Outstaying their welcome. One lady told me I was holding my baby incorrectly for breastfeeding and doing it all wrong (3 months in, baby was thriving). So actually lots of people DO need the etiquette pointed out to them. And its more sensible and easier for them probably to send out blanket rules to everyone rather than trying to anticipate who needs which rules reminding. Setting expectations in advance isn't really the social norm which is why it feels a bit weird but it's just verbalising what you'd do anyway rather than imposing further restrictions and from their point of view, avoids any awkwardness face to face.

The only one that I think is a bit weird is don't share own experiences. I think that's a normal part of conversation so I can see your concern that it might be a bit stilted. Eg baby isn't sleeping 'I found this worked'...instead I'd say something like 'oh yes I remember that, I can tell you what I tried and what worked for me if that would help but I know you might prefer to figure it out yourself and how annoying constant advice can be' and leave it up to her

Lucyh999 · 12/09/2023 09:18

Totally, I agree. Maybe he doesn’t realise how it comes across. And all doesn’t sound well, so a good chance to let them know and check in.

KnobbingtonKnobberson · 12/09/2023 09:21

Pandajane · 12/09/2023 07:49

You say 'we're super close' I say 'I'm a passive aggressive narcissist who is annoyed by my friend setting boundaries when I want to control her' . But hey, Tom-ay-to/tom-a-to eh?

The word 'narcissist' seems to have lost all meaning on MN. It's now just subbed in for 'a poster who's irritated me'.

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 12/09/2023 09:37

Solonge · 11/09/2023 19:51

Its cheeky to tell people there is a list for presents! Ffs sounds like a wedding list! You shouldnt expect gifts and if you get some, just be grateful!

This. I can't believe some people think it's OK to ask for presents.

Ivymom · 12/09/2023 09:38

While I didn’t send out a list of rules with any of my five children, I did have to enforce some similar boundaries starting with my 2nd. With my first, who was born at 34 weeks, my mum was in the delivery room with my DH and I. It was horrible. She kept commenting on how my legs weren’t shaved, she thought my DH was going to pass out, and random inappropriate comments, all while I was pushing and the NICU team was in the room to ensure my baby’s safety. Thankfully, my baby was fine, but my mom continued the comments while my 4th degree tears were being sewed. I was barely cleaned up and didn’t even get to nurse my baby yet when she brought my stepdad in from the hallway outside my room and they took turns holding my baby for the next hour. The nurses finally kicked them out so I could bond with my baby and rest.

A couple of hours later, they were back with several other relatives to pass my baby around. I was exhausted. They all had to be kicked out again by the nurses because they kept trying to stay past visiting hours. My baby lost an entire pound overnight (from 5lbs to 4). She wouldn’t settle at all. I was up all night nursing her on and off, but the moment she was out of my arms, she screamed bloody murder. Our pediatrician and my OB discharged me and baby the next day hoping we could settle better at home and better establish breastfeeding in a more relaxed environment. I had to go to pediatric appointments every other day to check baby’s weight and well being until she was back to 5lbs. If she didn’t gain weight at each appointment, she had to be readmitted to the hospital. It took weeks to regain that lb.

When we got home, my mum and sister just showed up. I couldn’t sit comfortably because of my tearing and stitches, I was exhausted and my baby kept getting overstimulated because they kept passing her back and forth so they could get cuddles. They stayed hours. It was almost midnight when they left. The entire time they were there, they kept giving advice like to add cereal to formula and baby would sleep through the night from the beginning. When I asked for my crying baby back so I could nurse her and settle her, they refused and said that baby needed to learn to cry it out and to get used to other people. My baby wasn’t even two days old.

Thankfully, they all had to go back to work the next day, so my DH and I got some peace. We still had people who would just pop over to cuddle baby without even asking if we were up for guests. Some relatives were ill and showed up. We refused to let the in and told them they couldn’t visit until they were well again. Seventeen years later, they are still offended that I dared to turn them away. My recovery, establishing breastfeeding, and getting baby’s weight back up and on track took a lot longer than it should have. The entire time, I was inundated with outdated advice that pediatricians consider dangerous nowadays.

We didn’t allow anyone at the hospital until we invited them with my other children. We limited their visit times and didn’t let them monopolize or pass the babies around. We also stopped allowing guests to pop over and limited the time they could stay. We had to assertively take back our babies when necessary and people who didn’t readily comply didn’t get to hold baby on the next visits. We stopped allowing unasked for advice.

I don’t know what the relatives of OP’s friend are like. It is possible that her family and in-laws have been too pushy with this pregnancy and these rules are in response to that. I think OP should just talk to her friend and let her know that she is concerned she might inadvertently overstep. Let her know that she wants to be there for her and baby and ask her directly how she would like visits to go. Thankfully, I had lovely friends who were supportive of my boundaries and they got to stay longer, cuddle baby more and I welcomed their advice and company.

phoenixrosehere · 12/09/2023 09:42

DisquietintheRanks · 11/09/2023 20:59

So how do those who want to cocoon their first child manage when child 2 or 3 cones along? Do you just lock your snotty toddlers in the shed or something? Take the eldest out of preschool?

That’s a completely different thing. Having a new sibling is an adjustment to a child as is adding another child to the mix is for parents. Many parents choose to get some type of routine settled before having guests/visitors coming over.

RecklessGoddess · 12/09/2023 09:43

I meant to press not bu, but due to having essential tremor, my hand shook as I went to press and hit the wrong on. Definitely not bu, the only thing I agree on in the rules, is the smoking or vaping clothes change (especially smoking 🤢🤮) and the first 10 days (we're told to stay in for the first 10 days for a reason).

LadyBird1973 · 12/09/2023 09:44

Back when I had my first, sterilisers were cold water tanks that you put a tablet into. Bottles needed to be rinsed with boiled water before use. Now, being an inexperienced mother I took all my clean bottles out of steriliser and sling them in the (not sterile) sink to rinse. If my mum hadn't been there to point this out, I could easily have made my baby ill!
Not all advice is useless and forcing people who often do know better than the new parents, to stfu and leave them to it, can have negative impact for both parents and babies.

Anything that's not useful, most adults have the capability to ignore. No one is obliged to do what is suggested, but hearing the advice is not harmful and could be useful. Health visitors snd midwives can't cover absolutely everything a new parent might need to be aware of.

Bbbenice · 12/09/2023 09:47

I think it is wild that so many people on here take offence at a new mum and her partner setting boundaries. If you cant respect someone elses boundaries that's your problem, I would be glad to know who cant respect the boundaries i set as i think it's very telling.

Not sure how you wouldn't know what to say as it's very easy to not give advice all you need to to do is ask how every one is getting and if there is anything you could do to help out?
You would think all of these rules are common sense unfortunately they're not and to save having the same conversation again and again they've saved themselves precious time and effort by writing it out once and sending it out, at the end of the day it's their child their rules if you dont like no one is asking you to be involved.

Yogirl1 · 12/09/2023 10:09

It could be that someone (a relative perhaps) has been a bit bossy and they are over-reacting now to nip it in the bud. She may be knacked and feel too hormonal/fat for public viewing! Or hubby may be a psychopath!!!! If you are really close then you will find out over time why this message was sent out.

Maybe try and meet outside of the house if husband is always there. Just text friend saying something like "Bet you're really busy with relatives at the moment so let me know when you feel up for visitors. Looking forward to meeting X when you feel up ready. Happy to come to you or go for a walk/meet for a coffee."

Don't send a gift, wait for the invite and take something then (it may be 6 months or more before she feels ready)

LoveispatientLoveisKind · 12/09/2023 10:10

Regardless of whether your friend or husband sending the message out.
If this is what makes either of them feel comfortable having visitors then so be it.
I don't understand the issue.
If you're as close as you say you're you can speak to them both when you visit your friend who is a first-time mum.
Everyone is different when they have their babies Just because you were ok with your friend staying for the whole day/evening doesn't mean she has to there is no right or wrong.
I'm sure you have other stuff to talk about other than baby advice.
Be there for your friend and don't worry about saying the wrong thing Dont give advice unless asked for as you know they don't want this .
If you put your foot in it then they will tell you and you can apologise 🤷‍♀️ and move on to the next subject .
I mean no disrespect but this should he a happy time not over thinking what your friends have asked other not to do/say regarding their baby.
Enjoy this moment with your friends.

Letsgetouttahere2023 · 12/09/2023 10:28

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 10/09/2023 17:45

Next thing she will be charging for tickets ...

😂😂😂

I wouldn't be going. Just send her a message saying congratulations, get the impression DH and her keen to have some family time, would love to see her once all settled into her routine etc

LadyBird1973 · 12/09/2023 12:29

I wonder if the friend ever actually asked the OP if she was happy to have long visits. I know OP says she was fine with it, but I hope the friend actually checked, in the light of her own current stance.

Toomuchfun · 12/09/2023 13:14

They are just settling clear boundaries. Most of it sounds like common sense to me.

NameChangeAsICouldBeOverReacting · 12/09/2023 13:45

@saraclara i know I’m a mumsnetter but I had an awful post partum period with my brother in law showing up EVERY morning and afternoon with his two children as our house is on the way back from the school run.

I also had my other brother in law not listen to our boundaries on kissing our baby despite us reminding him a thousand times because he gets coldsores.

i honestly felt like I was playing whack a mole with people being overbearing and not understanding of me and how I felt post partum.

i wish I could have sent out rules to everyone, but didn’t because I didn’t want to upset or annoy people, or come across as a crazed first time mum, but it would have made my life much easier and maybe reduced my anxiety!

Yogirl1 · 12/09/2023 13:51

LoveispatientLoveisKind · 12/09/2023 10:10

Regardless of whether your friend or husband sending the message out.
If this is what makes either of them feel comfortable having visitors then so be it.
I don't understand the issue.
If you're as close as you say you're you can speak to them both when you visit your friend who is a first-time mum.
Everyone is different when they have their babies Just because you were ok with your friend staying for the whole day/evening doesn't mean she has to there is no right or wrong.
I'm sure you have other stuff to talk about other than baby advice.
Be there for your friend and don't worry about saying the wrong thing Dont give advice unless asked for as you know they don't want this .
If you put your foot in it then they will tell you and you can apologise 🤷‍♀️ and move on to the next subject .
I mean no disrespect but this should he a happy time not over thinking what your friends have asked other not to do/say regarding their baby.
Enjoy this moment with your friends.

As an older mum (in 2016) I gave NCT a miss but did attend 2 workshops at the maternity hospital. I was not told about hand washing or no kissing etc. Is this advice from new evidence based research or do the hallowed NCT know more than a well respected NHS/private hospital?