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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

412 replies

malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 10/04/2024 12:00

smilesup · 04/09/2023 09:35

The Tories know they have lost this round. They will wait for all of the shit to really hit the fan when Labour start, blame them. Our country predominantly has right wing press so of course they will back the Tories. People are sadly gullible and will vote them back in either 4 or 8 years time. The Tories again will set the system up to benefit the wealthy (themselves) and it will start again. I am not a huge fan of Labour, particularly their stance on womens spaces BUT nothing is as bad as this current lot of Tories. Inequality in this country is just going to go up and up. Our children in particular will suffer.

I don’t think this is as true anymore. I mean, l know we have the Mail and the Express etc.

But people don’t buy newspapers anymore, younger people look online. And they just get headlines from everywhere to scroll through unless they specifically choose to block certain things.

The Express and Mail are aimed at a shrinking demographic.

KirstenBlest · 10/04/2024 12:08

@SerendipityJane , I don't always vote the same way. As in my pp, I try to get the best MP for my constituency or councillor for my ward.

I have friends in a different safe seat and although they complain about their councillor, they had quite baffled expressions when I suggested they voted for a different candidate.

KirstenBlest · 10/04/2024 12:14

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow , we still have newspapers. Many people still buy them and read them. Most of the newspapers are right-wing not just the Mail and Express. The Torygraph, the Times and The Sun lean to the right.

Many of the readers believe what they read and vote accordingly IMO.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 10/04/2024 12:19

I think they’re already well aware that they’re going to lose it.

Missamyp · 10/04/2024 12:19

verdantverdure · 21/09/2023 14:06

I'm just here to share this meme

That meme is so telling.
Neither party has anything to say about the COL or anything remotely vote-worthy.
The Tories are wittering on about benefits claimants again and I've noticed Labour has mentioned Andrew Tate's effect on school children.
Politics is dire at the moment.

Hoppinggreen · 10/04/2024 12:21

SammyScrounge · 09/04/2024 23:06

Correction. Nothing is as bad what Starmer will do to please the trans lobby with regard to women and children.

Check out the Labour Partys response to Cass, you might be surprised

SerendipityJane · 10/04/2024 12:42

KirstenBlest · 10/04/2024 12:08

@SerendipityJane , I don't always vote the same way. As in my pp, I try to get the best MP for my constituency or councillor for my ward.

I have friends in a different safe seat and although they complain about their councillor, they had quite baffled expressions when I suggested they voted for a different candidate.

Edited

Yes. But you are in a minority. over 80% of votes simply cancel each other out.

The media has long since subtly demonised people who refuse to adhere to dogma.

Everanewbie · 10/04/2024 12:45

Peregrina · 10/04/2024 11:52

My fear with Labour is not with the leadership, its that the lunatic fringe manages to worm its way back in. Keir's doing a good job of getting rid of the anti-Semites and the student politics branch, its just whether he can carry on holding them off.

Yet with the current Tory party, it's the lunatic fringe of racists and absolute nutters who are in charge. The sensible ones were chased out of the party.

I certainly agree that a lot of good people were driven out by Johnson. But I don’t agree that the fringes are running the show. A few have had their moments, Suella, Anderson, but they are used to placate rather encouraged. Alternative perspectives are good, but extreme influences on either side are dangerous.

KirstenBlest · 10/04/2024 12:56

I probably am in a minority, but I think I have the right idea (obviously, I would).
It doesn't really help that I am in a constituency that usually only has two candidates. I'd prefer to see a choice of about 4 candidates.

I usually put some thought into it, and try to watch out for things that might subconsciously skew my opinion (like 'Is he/she someone I'd like to go for a pint/coffee/chat with' - that ain't gonna happen)

In the last General Election, I didn't want either party leader as PM, but I believe my constituency got the right MP.

smilesup · 10/04/2024 13:43

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 10/04/2024 12:00

I don’t think this is as true anymore. I mean, l know we have the Mail and the Express etc.

But people don’t buy newspapers anymore, younger people look online. And they just get headlines from everywhere to scroll through unless they specifically choose to block certain things.

The Express and Mail are aimed at a shrinking demographic.

Edited

Maybe so. But the right are much better at using social media. They have huge amount of money and influence to play with algorithms so that all people are exposed to basic propaganda. Brexit was a clear example of that. The Tories are much less afraid of using dirty tactics to win.

SerendipityJane · 10/04/2024 14:04

But I don’t agree that the fringes are running the show.

I believe the fringes are running the show. And what worse is they are doing it without being at the controls. Instead they are doing it with behind the scenes threats and bribes. It's a fascists dream. Power without accountability. Look at the way Rish! gets blown every which way.

The occurrence of the Brexit referendum was the fringes scaring the Bejaysus out of cotton wool Cameron.

Bollindger · 13/04/2024 12:53

I think if the parties had any sense they would take things like the NHS out of the equation and set it up as a cross party permanent organisation. With agreed funding and a plan for the future.

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