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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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DuncinToffee · 08/09/2023 20:19

https://twitter.com/resfoundation/status/1700157291297743062?s=20

This parliamentary term is on track to be by far the worst for living standards since the 1950s.

Typical working age household incomes are on course to be 4% lower in 2024-25 than they were in 2019-20.

Never in living memory have families got so much poorer over a parliament.

Papillon23 · 08/09/2023 21:16

jcyclops · 08/09/2023 01:19

The current government's school rebuilding programme aims to build (or significantly refurbish) 500 schools in a decade - or 50 per year. The PM and several ministers have been rolled out and confirmed this figure in the media and have denied that Sunak cut this from 100/year when he was chancellor.

There are around 24,000 state funded schools in the UK. Simple arithmetic means that at 50/year it will take 480 YEARS until all existing schools are rebuilt/refurbished. Doubling or trebling the rate is also clearly not enough. Doing 200 schools per year would still take 120 YEARS. Do you think a brand new school would last 120 years before needing major work or replacement?

I suggest that 200/year is the absolute minimum that should be done, and 300/year is a much more realistic minimum - but would still take 80 years to complete. I wonder which political party will be the first to commit to 400 schools/year? Don't hold your breath.

I agree, and I think unfortunately this is a problem massively exacerbated by the short termism that haunts all politics.

If you look at places like Cambridge university, their "medium term" planning is 50 years - and that is what it needs to be if you are planning to exist forever.

Which means that is also what our government should consider medium term. But when a government is up for re-election 10 or even 12 times in that period, what hope do we have?

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 17:08

I was just looking for a post about Labour winning the next Election.
Labour have normally got in with money to spend, and with a leader who had a spine.
So OMG loads were wishing for a Labour win, so bow you look like getting what you wish for, are you prepared for the chaos to begin?

bombastix · 12/09/2023 17:16

It's already chaotic. Everyone knows there is no money.

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

Piggywaspushed · 12/09/2023 18:16

The Tories won't be in power?

I am not being entirely facetious. Their brand now is completely toxic and in thrall to fairly extreme right wing factions.

verdantverdure · 12/09/2023 18:19

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

We will begin to dig ourselves out of this, instead of digging a deeper hole every day.

everetting · 12/09/2023 18:22

Even business are now courting labour. They sold out of expensive tickets for their conference for top business people and have a long wait list.

SerendipityJane · 12/09/2023 19:29

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

Labour will have to start the 13 year process of learning to become as corrupt as the Tories.

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2023 20:15

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

I am curious as to why you think the Tories deserve another term

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/09/2023 20:17

I think it’s going to take them more than 13 years to reach this level of corruption.

I will eat my hat if Labour ever appoint an anti corruption tzar and they have to quit because there is too much corruption.

verdantverdure · 12/09/2023 20:25

Even Tories don't plan to vote Tory I don't think.

To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?
Abhannmor · 12/09/2023 20:33

Big business courting Labour. Ferring pharmaceuticals going to abandon the Libdems ?

Anxioys · 12/09/2023 21:51

Do you know what is most hysterical about this after Brexit and Johnson? The gift that stands to keep giving to the Tory Party after they lose?

Johnson broke all the conventions on ministerial power. He let his people do whatever they liked. Removed the procedures and conventions.

It's a politician's dream, a civil service smashed and a constitutional mess. You can do what you like. The boot is going to be on the other foot. What can they say in opposition? Nothing. It will be years and years of them being shoed due to their own short term stupidity.

Peregrina · 13/09/2023 10:16

What can they say in opposition? Nothing.

It won't stop them though. Didn't Boris Johnson bring in the original ULEZ scheme in London. With the recent by-election in Uxbridge where the Tories won by shamelessly making its extension an issue, and blaming a Labour mayor, this fact was conveniently forgotten.

DuncinToffee · 13/09/2023 13:04

Inaction Man is trending on twitter/x

verdantverdure · 13/09/2023 15:29

Peregrina · 13/09/2023 10:16

What can they say in opposition? Nothing.

It won't stop them though. Didn't Boris Johnson bring in the original ULEZ scheme in London. With the recent by-election in Uxbridge where the Tories won by shamelessly making its extension an issue, and blaming a Labour mayor, this fact was conveniently forgotten.

What utter numpties they are to have voted for a Tory candidate who said he would "Stop ULEZ".

How exactly?

Grant Shapps as Tory transport minister is the reason it has expanded to cover Uxbridge.

And why?

What kind of numbnutses are against cleaner air?!

verdantverdure · 13/09/2023 15:36

DuncinToffee · 13/09/2023 13:04

Inaction Man is trending on twitter/x

I bet Sunak doesn't like that.

Even if you didn't see any PMQs you know it's him.

He's long reminded me of one of those dolls with a pull cord that repeats the same catchphrases.

maybebluth · 13/09/2023 21:26

They are honestly ALL so awful, I have never felt so jaded in decades by our politics. Not just all incompetent, but actively unpleasant people

verdantverdure · 14/09/2023 16:07

Ha! @SerendipityJane Grin

verdantverdure · 14/09/2023 16:15

maybebluth · 13/09/2023 21:26

They are honestly ALL so awful, I have never felt so jaded in decades by our politics. Not just all incompetent, but actively unpleasant people

I was actually shocked by Andrea Jenkyns giving the finger outside Number 10.

I don't know the kind of people who behave like that.

Kwasi Kwarteng giggling at the Queen's funeral was another shocker.

Again, I don't know anyone who would behave like that.

Most people would have too much respect.

I don't like members of Parliament swearing either. Not to clutch my pearls, I swear myself now and then, but not at work, not in public, not in any position of responsibility. Not on tv and in newspapers. Not in front of children.

LizzieW1969 · 14/09/2023 16:27

verdantverdure · 13/09/2023 15:36

I bet Sunak doesn't like that.

Even if you didn't see any PMQs you know it's him.

He's long reminded me of one of those dolls with a pull cord that repeats the same catchphrases.

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Theresa May was like that during the 2017 election campaign, she kept parroting the phrase ‘strong and stable’ when it was obvious to all that her leadership was anything but that.

She was similar to Sunak in that she was voted in by Tory MPs but not by the party membership, as Andrea Leadsom pulled out of the race.

verdantverdure · 14/09/2023 16:34

Theresa May is on a full revision of history kick at the moment by the look of it.

It did make me laugh that Sunak's spokesman said that he is a msn of action. How ridiculous is that?!

I want to watch the Kuenssberg thing, State Of Chaos is it? But I suspect all the talking heads ok it will be the ones who caused the chaos and I don't know if I have the heart or stomach for it.

This country has been in chaos ever since we re-elected the squabbling Tories in 2015, but even I am gobsmacked at how bad its got since Brexit. And how fast.

We can't go on like this.

longwayoff · 14/09/2023 19:25

I too, want to watch Kuensberg but feel as you do. I fear it will make me feel both furious and defeated. How much more of these truth-twisting shapeshifters can we take? And look at the USA. Trump or Biden is the choice. I've never felt so despairing. It cant go well.