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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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ThePoshUns · 05/09/2023 23:45

Fingers crossed. Starmers new shadow cabinet look cohesive and like they mean business. I look forward to them taking over from the current shit show.

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2023 23:47

verdantverdure · 05/09/2023 23:35

They don't do much defend what the Tories have done or haven't done as have a go at the other lot. Grin

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Exactly that. There’s not much of a defence to put up, to be fair.

Anxioys · 05/09/2023 23:48

Agree: Starmer has gone full Blairite. Except for Rayner who gets housing.

Oh wait, that is Blair. Housing was John Prescott's old brief.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/09/2023 00:42

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

Tory PM Liz Truss beat them to it.

RoseAndRose · 06/09/2023 06:54

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 22:28

And yet by the 2010 election we had 2.1% growth. I’m assuming nobody wants to explain how the Tories turning this into a recession within months of taking over means they are the party of fiscal responsibility.

Mind you if we’re bringing up 2008 again Tory HQ must be desperate.

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Interesting chart on economic growth

Gross Domestic Product: Quarter on Quarter growth: CVM SA % - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

How the economy looks is very dependent on where you slice your reference figures. The difference between now and 2010 is slight, but the "growth" looks different because of the immediately preceding period for each

DuncinToffee · 06/09/2023 09:47

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

What do they have in common? National government’s disrespect for local government and failure to fund it.

To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?
Everanewbie · 06/09/2023 09:59

AnnieSnap · 05/09/2023 23:16

Your points about immigration are twaddle, just an echo of Tory dog whistle politics. The big problem with immigration is that during the last 13 years of their blatant asset stripping, they have cut all public bodies to the bone, including the Department of Immigration. The relatively small number of cheap inexperienced and ill trained Clerks now dealing with migrant applications are overwhelmed and cases take years to be heard - hence the backlog! Oh yes, also a migrant cannot be illegal and all legal routes have been closed or made literally impossible to deal with. Do you realise that many arriving from the boats are people in fear of torture and death in Afghanistan because they worked to help the British forces out there, or those facing the same fate because they have the misfortune to be female.

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I wasn't trying to justify the Governments position on small boats, I was responding to a specific point by another poster and giving my view that constantly talking about this issue is a nod to a section of the voting public.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 14:10

I've just seen PMQs and even though Rishi Sunak is sent the questions in advance so someone can prepare answers for him it was pretty dire. And he said something that even I know is untrue (that Labour hasn't raised this before.)

Keir Starmer employed a broken record technique, listing schools that were in Labour's school rebuilding programme that was cancelled by the Tories in 2010 that have STILL not been fixed.

The Tory front bench heckled and the back benches roared but you can see they know they're not getting away with it anymore. The chickens are coming home to roost and the Tories don't look like they can be bothered to go through the motions of pretending to govern.

It was all so much easier when they could just give millions to developers to make fake hospitals in exhibition centres and give millions to Michelle Mone for useless PPE and claim to have generously funded the NHS.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 14:15

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 23:13

My MP has been learning lessons about Northampton, Thurrock and Woking all afternoon since he mistakenly decided it was a good idea to point out birmingham going bankrupt meant labour weren’t fit to run the country.

Awww Bless

The "But Labour..." technique probably only still works on the aforementioned voting demographic of people who believe things that aren't true.

ilovesooty · 06/09/2023 14:59

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 14:15

Awww Bless

The "But Labour..." technique probably only still works on the aforementioned voting demographic of people who believe things that aren't true.

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Or people like @Lastchancechica who believe in Labour's eye-watering woke agenda that she is still unable to explain to us.

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 16:00

ilovesooty · 06/09/2023 14:59

Or people like @Lastchancechica who believe in Labour's eye-watering woke agenda that she is still unable to explain to us.

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Doesn’t that come under the category of things that aren’t true?

ilovesooty · 06/09/2023 16:09

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 16:00

Doesn’t that come under the category of things that aren’t true?

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Of course.

Which is why she hasn't been able to explain it.

longwayoff · 06/09/2023 17:20

Starmer at PMQs ' the Prime Minister has failed to . . .' Rishi, contemptuously, 'All the hon gent can do is make cheap political points'. That's HIS JOB Rishi. As far as I know, he's not busily topping up the family coffers whilst making international trade deals, unlike some.

Saschka · 06/09/2023 17:23

longwayoff · 06/09/2023 17:20

Starmer at PMQs ' the Prime Minister has failed to . . .' Rishi, contemptuously, 'All the hon gent can do is make cheap political points'. That's HIS JOB Rishi. As far as I know, he's not busily topping up the family coffers whilst making international trade deals, unlike some.

I know, Rishi’s answer to everything is always “Keir Starmer hasn’t fixed it either”. But he can’t, can he? He’s in fucking opposition! Feel free to step aside and let him have a go Rish.

Anxioys · 06/09/2023 17:35

They are finished. People have stopped listening. Starmer got it right today; he's channelling what people feel, and Sunak's bitty little defence while technically okay went nowhere.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 17:47

The Tories are finished.

And they know they're finished.

Sunak was like a yappy little dog just making noise at PMQs today.

And Penny Mordaunt was making her "I could do a SO much better job than him" faces on the front bench.

Anxioys · 06/09/2023 17:51

The smart Tories have left or are sorting out new jobs. Currently their value is declining. Insights into Labour policy is what business will want.

The shelf life of Tory advisers is now about that of a lettuce. Expect lots of bs proposals for the next six months, none of which will be delivered.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 17:58

This concrete crisis might actually precipitate a General Election once word gets around that schools have been dangerous for years and the Tories just kinda "shrugged" and said nothing whilst dangerous crumbling concrete hung above our children's heads.

To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?
BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 18:08

This concrete crisis might actually precipitate a General Election

Oh please! 🙏

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 18:17

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 18:08

This concrete crisis might actually precipitate a General Election

Oh please! 🙏

They can't give us a sixth PM only chosen by their bloody members can they? Surely?

Abhannmor · 06/09/2023 18:24

Lastchancechica · 05/09/2023 10:20

Ah all the old remoaners. They didn’t cover themselves in glory trying to overturn a democratic referendum.

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When did that happen? I followed the debates quite closely. Everyone had their own version of Brexit. Some wanted to stay in the Single Market.

Theresa May said Brexit means Brexit. Mark Francois thinks it's the most important meal of the day. And so on. Nobody to my recollection said ' let's just cancel Brexit '.

Anxioys · 06/09/2023 18:27

This is quite interesting. Crumbling schools affecting Tory MPs and their constituencies...

There are a staggering eight crumbling schools in business secretary Kemi Badenoch’s constituency of Saffron Walden, and another two in foreign secretary James Cleverly’s Braintree seat, and one in Michael Gove’s backyard of Surrey Heath.
Five of the schools are in education ministers’ constituencies, including four in skills minister Robert Halfon’s Harlow constituency and one in children’s minister David Johnson’s seat of Wantage.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/09/2023 18:27

They can @verdantverdure but they would have to trigger an immediate GE on the appointment. And I think they might.🤔

Sunak is not popular amongst the rank and file Tories nevermind the majority of the nation. So their only chance might will be to ditch him for someone more "appealing".🙄

I wish them luck with that.😂😂😂

Abhannmor · 06/09/2023 18:27

Penny is in pole position @verdantverdure . Wields a good sword. Looks good in a swimming 🏊 cossie. Royal Navy . Get yer money on now !