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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

412 replies

malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 18:29

Abhannmor · 06/09/2023 18:27

Penny is in pole position @verdantverdure . Wields a good sword. Looks good in a swimming 🏊 cossie. Royal Navy . Get yer money on now !

I think you’re right. I hate to say it but I genuinely think she was robbed when Truss got in. If she’d made it to the final two it would have been hers.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/09/2023 18:30

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 18:29

I think you’re right. I hate to say it but I genuinely think she was robbed when Truss got in. If she’d made it to the final two it would have been hers.

And everyone knows it.

SerendipityJane · 06/09/2023 19:13

And Penny Mordaunt was making her "I could do a SO much better job than him" faces on the front bench.

Much as I loath her, she did a good job of showing JRM up for being a pompous ignorant cunt

Jacob Rees-Mogg schooled on basic operation of Parliament by his successor Penny Mordaunt

Jacob Rees-Mogg raised a point of order in the House of Commons on Tuesday expressing concern the government is "not respectful" to MPs by managing time in P...

https://youtu.be/F52E5sFNw9M

SerendipityJane · 06/09/2023 19:17

They can @verdantverdurebut they would have to trigger an immediate GE on the appointment. And I think they might.🤔

There's no formal requirement for a new leader to call a general election if they don't want. As long as they have the confidence of the house.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 20:05

SerendipityJane · 06/09/2023 19:13

And Penny Mordaunt was making her "I could do a SO much better job than him" faces on the front bench.

Much as I loath her, she did a good job of showing JRM up for being a pompous ignorant cunt

I'm not at all a fan, but I enjoyed that Grin

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 20:08

Abhannmor · 06/09/2023 18:27

Penny is in pole position @verdantverdure . Wields a good sword. Looks good in a swimming 🏊 cossie. Royal Navy . Get yer money on now !

Al the essential qualities required to run a small country that is literally crumbling and filling up with shit.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 20:10

Anxioys · 06/09/2023 18:27

This is quite interesting. Crumbling schools affecting Tory MPs and their constituencies...

There are a staggering eight crumbling schools in business secretary Kemi Badenoch’s constituency of Saffron Walden, and another two in foreign secretary James Cleverly’s Braintree seat, and one in Michael Gove’s backyard of Surrey Heath.
Five of the schools are in education ministers’ constituencies, including four in skills minister Robert Halfon’s Harlow constituency and one in children’s minister David Johnson’s seat of Wantage.

And with 7000 schools yet to be properly surveyed by Actual Surveyors there are going to be more aren't there?

This might be the one that does for them.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 20:14

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 18:45

in the part of the fateful ITV interview that Keegan actually knew would be aired, when she found herself trying to mitigate the situation by uttering the words: “A school can collapse for many reasons.” Guys, can you please get this into some sort of perspective – there are loads of things that could make a school cave in on your children’s heads. You’re being very small-minded obsessing about this one.

I'm not feeling exactly Chucklevision about crumbly concrete hanging over our children's heads but that did make me squeak. Grin

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/09/2023 23:11

I know there's no formal thing in law they have to follow. But surely they can't get away with changing leaders AGAIN without going to the polls straight after.

It would be best if they did TBH. Look at their record.
2015 Vote PM Cameron, get PM May.
2017 Vote PM May get PM Johnson.
2019 Vote PM Johnson get PM Truss.
Then PM Sunak.
Vote PM Sunak get ???

They're a chaotic shambles.

ilovesooty · 07/09/2023 09:41

Another by election on the way as a result of Chris Pincher resigning.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/09/2023 09:44

I love a By-election.Grin

BIossomtoes · 07/09/2023 10:03

Oh, has Pincher actually gone now?

ilovesooty · 07/09/2023 10:29

BIossomtoes · 07/09/2023 10:03

Oh, has Pincher actually gone now?

Resigned this morning according to the BBC.

RafaistheKingofClay · 07/09/2023 10:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/09/2023 09:44

I love a By-election.Grin

At the rate they are happening Tories might manage to lose that huge majority before they even call an election.

ilovesooty · 07/09/2023 11:10

RafaistheKingofClay · 07/09/2023 10:57

At the rate they are happening Tories might manage to lose that huge majority before they even call an election.

That thought had crossed my mind. It's certainly getting smaller.

SerendipityJane · 07/09/2023 11:49

ilovesooty · 07/09/2023 11:10

That thought had crossed my mind. It's certainly getting smaller.

Those of us who remember the 70s, remember Labours ever shrinking majority and the LibLab pact.

LizzieW1969 · 07/09/2023 20:25

And the John Major government in the 1990s lost the overall majority and had to rely on the Ulster Unionists. They lost every single by election as I recall.

Admittedly they only had a 21 seat majority to begin with.

jcyclops · 08/09/2023 01:19

The current government's school rebuilding programme aims to build (or significantly refurbish) 500 schools in a decade - or 50 per year. The PM and several ministers have been rolled out and confirmed this figure in the media and have denied that Sunak cut this from 100/year when he was chancellor.

There are around 24,000 state funded schools in the UK. Simple arithmetic means that at 50/year it will take 480 YEARS until all existing schools are rebuilt/refurbished. Doubling or trebling the rate is also clearly not enough. Doing 200 schools per year would still take 120 YEARS. Do you think a brand new school would last 120 years before needing major work or replacement?

I suggest that 200/year is the absolute minimum that should be done, and 300/year is a much more realistic minimum - but would still take 80 years to complete. I wonder which political party will be the first to commit to 400 schools/year? Don't hold your breath.

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/09/2023 07:06

Of the hundred that should have been done in the last 2 years according to their commitment, they’ve managed 4. I’m sure the children of 14023CE will be very pleased that the school rebuilding plan is finally finished.

The problem is that 400 was what was needed in 2010. So it will need to be more than that to catch up with how far behind they have got themselves over the last 13years by not doing that. Not unlike what happens when you give public sector workers real terms pay cuts for 13years. Eventually you run up a huge bill when you need to give them an above average pay rise to restore pay.

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2023 07:30

It's not just schools though is it ? It's all buildings that were put up by contractors working for government departments. We already know hospitals are affected. And court buildings. Wait until the council buildings and government office buildings are added to the list.

This could make the asbestos scares of the 80s and 90s look like a mere bagatelle.

Anxioys · 08/09/2023 08:22

The sums involved in fixing this were quite small. I am amazed at Sunak's cheapness. A serious lack of political nous.

The Labour attack ad where they draw attention to his cutting rates of duty on champagne but cutting this funding for essential repair is well done because it is true.

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2023 12:59

Anxioys · 08/09/2023 08:22

The sums involved in fixing this were quite small. I am amazed at Sunak's cheapness. A serious lack of political nous.

The Labour attack ad where they draw attention to his cutting rates of duty on champagne but cutting this funding for essential repair is well done because it is true.

The failed Festival of Brexit cost about the same and if you add Keegan's office refurbishment costs, you got it well covered

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2023 19:16

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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?
ilovesooty · 08/09/2023 20:12

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2023 07:30

It's not just schools though is it ? It's all buildings that were put up by contractors working for government departments. We already know hospitals are affected. And court buildings. Wait until the council buildings and government office buildings are added to the list.

This could make the asbestos scares of the 80s and 90s look like a mere bagatelle.

Heathrow and Gatwick airports are affected, apparently.