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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2023 20:57

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

You mean like Tory Northamptonshire and Tory Walsall that went bust some time ago?

Lastchancechica · 05/09/2023 21:19

Do we need we need resus equipment?
This thread is withering, and this is a normal reaction to anything that turns to Labour. It has that effect. Like halitosis. Empties the room on impact.

newnamethanks · 05/09/2023 21:20

Anyone been to Woking recently? Heart of Surrey. Bankrupt through property speculation.

Anxioys · 05/09/2023 21:22

@Lastchancechica - you mean you ran out of anything to say.

newnamethanks · 05/09/2023 21:27

It'll be whats left of the whole country up for a boot sale soon if the Tories don't get their sticky blue fingers prised off the Treasury chest.

AdamRyan · 05/09/2023 21:35

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/councils-bankruptcy-tax-uk-b2400419.html

Council underfunding is a structural underfunding problem, not a labour/conservative problem.

And I am not sure people will see the distinction between local and national politics at election time. If their local services have gone to shit they will expect their GE vote to help fix it.

Nearly a third of councils in poorest areas on verge of bankruptcy

A survey has found 14 of 47 councils in the North, the Midlands and on the south coast may go bust this year or next

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/councils-bankruptcy-tax-uk-b2400419.html

Lastchancechica · 05/09/2023 21:36

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

Good point not a good look with their history.

Lastchancechica · 05/09/2023 21:37

Labour have always been utterly dire at managing budgets, and who can forget 2008? Labour spent every last penny.

DuncinToffee · 05/09/2023 21:45

Talking about budgets one year ago Liz Truss was elected as the new Tory party leader....

AdamRyan · 05/09/2023 21:46

Hmm. Yes because we are in so much of a better more stable situation now #sarcasm

I don't think this "Labour are shit with money" message is going to wash for any of the electorate under the age of about 60.

My first election was 1997, where ironically I voted Conservative, and I remember the Labour government as on the whole a far less financially stressful time. Despite working in the public sector, earning approx 1/3 what I earn now and having 3 children over their parliamentary term.

When they were voted out, they didn't leave behind them people dying on trolleys in the NHS and record homeless levels on the the streets. Something that was there in 1997 and is a feature again today.

We had "austerity" to rebalance the books and yet we still have record levels of national debt and councils going bankrupt.

As a result I trust the Conservatives on the economy far less than Labour

CurrentlyChipped · 05/09/2023 22:00

Someone has asked where Labour would get the money from if they don't increase taxes. The answer is clear. Rejoin the Single Market and Customs Union.

According to Bloomberg "Brexit Is Costing the UK £100 Billion a Year in Lost Output"

https://archive.ph/xfGMp

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2023 22:08

Lastchancechica · 05/09/2023 21:37

Labour have always been utterly dire at managing budgets, and who can forget 2008? Labour spent every last penny.

Bailing the banks out in a global economic crisis as I recall.

HoliHormonalTigerLillyTheSecond · 05/09/2023 22:11

Jeesus christ lets fucking hope they lose! 🙏🙏🙏

VikingVolva · 05/09/2023 22:16

longwayoff · 05/09/2023 11:25

Dear me , @VikingVolva your perceptions are desperately askew. I urge you to reconsider your immoderate and ill-informed comments.

What do you think is wrong with them?

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 22:24

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

At the risk of injecting some facts into the discussion, doesn’t the large bill that has caused this issue relate back to a court ruling in 2012 about people employed before then when the council was NOC with Tories holding the largest number of seats.

Not to mention the fact that the government have been underfunding local councils to the tune of about 3billion for years.

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 22:28

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2023 22:08

Bailing the banks out in a global economic crisis as I recall.

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And yet by the 2010 election we had 2.1% growth. I’m assuming nobody wants to explain how the Tories turning this into a recession within months of taking over means they are the party of fiscal responsibility.

Mind you if we’re bringing up 2008 again Tory HQ must be desperate.

verdantverdure · 05/09/2023 23:04

Weren't Northampton Woking and Thurrock all Tory bankrupt councils?

It doesn't really matter who controls a council when central government cuts funding and simultaneously torpedoes the economy.

There's only so long anyone can work miracles with not enough money.

And 13 years might be it.

Aren't there a couple of dozen other councils on the danger list?

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 23:13

My MP has been learning lessons about Northampton, Thurrock and Woking all afternoon since he mistakenly decided it was a good idea to point out birmingham going bankrupt meant labour weren’t fit to run the country.

AnnieSnap · 05/09/2023 23:16

Everanewbie · 04/09/2023 10:29

Of all the things that you can take this government to task on, I can't see what they've done wrong with the school buildings. These building were constructed more than half a century ago and have remained in place during the governments of both colours. Indeed much of the schools in question are in Labour controlled Wales, who are apparently well behind England in their audit of the affected schools.

In terms of the boats, it is a serious issue for a lot of people. By allowing illegal crossings we allow and encourage traffickers to push people through terribly dangerous crossings. Also, people see the money that goes on housing people taking this route at a time when the country is struggling and this frustrates people. I'll admit, it's a something like a right leaning person likes to hear is being tackled, so plenty of noise appeals to certain people, but to me that's preaching to the choir, its the middle that they need to win over.

I don't feel that the Conservatives are trying to 'loose' the next election, but they could do with tightening up their policies and message. Sorry OP, couldn't resist. I'm sure you know the difference between 'loose' and 'lose'.

They lost my vote with the destruction of the economy, jobs, mental health and child development in response to COVID. To win it back they'll need to realise the tax threshold for higher rate is ridiculous, people on £50k are not high earners and don't deserve a tax rate with NI that goes beyond 50% of earnings. Problem is that alternative is Labour, where their leader takes the knee to criminal extreme political lobbiests and won't state what they believe a woman to be. I suppose i'll need to vote for the least bad option.

Your points about immigration are twaddle, just an echo of Tory dog whistle politics. The big problem with immigration is that during the last 13 years of their blatant asset stripping, they have cut all public bodies to the bone, including the Department of Immigration. The relatively small number of cheap inexperienced and ill trained Clerks now dealing with migrant applications are overwhelmed and cases take years to be heard - hence the backlog! Oh yes, also a migrant cannot be illegal and all legal routes have been closed or made literally impossible to deal with. Do you realise that many arriving from the boats are people in fear of torture and death in Afghanistan because they worked to help the British forces out there, or those facing the same fate because they have the misfortune to be female.

AnnieSnap · 05/09/2023 23:22

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

What bankrupted Birmingham City Council was choosing to pay women much less than men for equivalent work over many years. Oh and you do know that the Tories provide more Government money in one way or another to Tory Councils than Labour yes?

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 05/09/2023 23:29

Yes, the Tories are shit, and I won't be voting for them. I'm surprised anyone dare come on here to try to defend them.

verdantverdure · 05/09/2023 23:35

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 05/09/2023 23:29

Yes, the Tories are shit, and I won't be voting for them. I'm surprised anyone dare come on here to try to defend them.

They don't do much defend what the Tories have done or haven't done as have a go at the other lot. Grin