To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

I've usually voted for them, now feeling politically homeless, not sure I'll bother voting, not that it matters as I'm in a very safe seat which isn't changing hands anyway.

I hope so. Dont make us wait too long.

The issue with concrete has been known for more than 5 years but I imagine it was isolated instances until the surveys started rolling in, and more faults were found.

I think something happened over the summer that forced them to address the issue immediately. At least they are addressing it, not hoping they can scrape through until a general election.

Our primary school was built in 1870. It's still perfectly sound and functional. It's had a new roof & new windows but otherwise an annual tidy-up of gutters and interior keeps it going.

I wish govts of all colours would stop trying to build schools on the cheap. We've got glass schools that are unbearably hot in summer, cold in winter and leak like sieves. Now we have cheap concrete schools that can't stand up to a bit of damp (in the British climate !).

When will they learn that a decent quality build (and not the latest fad) is far better value in the long run.

Even Gove regrets cancelling the build schools for the future plan.
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/gove-i-regret-scrapping-building-schools-for-the-future

The Tories know they have lost this round. They will wait for all of the shit to really hit the fan when Labour start, blame them. Our country predominantly has right wing press so of course they will back the Tories. People are sadly gullible and will vote them back in either 4 or 8 years time. The Tories again will set the system up to benefit the wealthy (themselves) and it will start again. I am not a huge fan of Labour, particularly their stance on womens spaces BUT nothing is as bad as this current lot of Tories. Inequality in this country is just going to go up and up. Our children in particular will suffer.

Ha talk is cheap Gove.

BTW are we officially spelling lose “loose” now - it’s so confusing.

No such thing as a Tory safe seat any more according to the polls. I live in what used to be the safest one in the country and it’s predicted to turn red when they eventually stop clinging to power and put us out of our misery.

Absolutely. Look at the consultant and junior doctors strikes and their stonewalling - they now have a ready made excuse for anything that goes wrong in the NHS.

https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1698595798445932834?s=20

A former top civil servant accuses Rishi Sunak of failing to fully fund a critical schools rebuilding scheme when he was Chancellor.

Jonathan Slater tells @BBCNickRobinson 300-400 schools a year needed to be rebuilt but there was only funding for 100, which was further cut to 50

Yanbu. The only thing that would make me vote Labour at this point is to get this shower of corrupt incompetents out. Perhaps the Tories just don’t want to deal with the socioeconomic fallout that decades of neoliberalism has caused. Labour are backtracking heavily on all their founding principles already: I’ve seen them as betrayers since Blair’s time and that is what we’ll get again with Starmer. What a choice. It’s easy to ask ‘how has it come to this’ but most of us know exactly how.

They are completely inept/corrupt.

For the life of me I've never understood why people have been so gullible to keep voting for them. They've destroyed the country but some idiots still defend them. Its as if a posh accent and inherited wealth is a get out of jail free card.

They've ruined the country.

Hope not! I do feel like not many people know the difference now though 🙈

They know they are going to loose, so they're doing their damnedest to make sure that Labour is single term only.

So this is a useful move - scare people about their DC, which requires massive spending, scope of which might not be known for a few months, and possibly not into next year. Commit to spending. It'll be impossible for Labour to cut the repairs programme and that will put a nice hole in their spending plans.

Expect the Tories to also initiate quite a bit of hard to reverse spending in coming months (with same aim).

It's pretty much what happened in the run up to the 2010 elections (so that even when things like non-means tested maternity grants for all were cut - something that was hard to justify in the first place - the "nasty cutting Tories" rhetoric could be used)

When's the next election likely to be? Oct/Nov next year?

You are nearly 20 minutes late for your shift , OP. They’ll dock you next time.

Every word of this.

They know they don't need to try anymore, people will just keep voting for them anyway. I have made some questionable choices in my life and made some terrible decisions but I've never voted Tory and never will.

Of all the things that you can take this government to task on, I can't see what they've done wrong with the school buildings. These building were constructed more than half a century ago and have remained in place during the governments of both colours. Indeed much of the schools in question are in Labour controlled Wales, who are apparently well behind England in their audit of the affected schools.

In terms of the boats, it is a serious issue for a lot of people. By allowing illegal crossings we allow and encourage traffickers to push people through terribly dangerous crossings. Also, people see the money that goes on housing people taking this route at a time when the country is struggling and this frustrates people. I'll admit, it's a something like a right leaning person likes to hear is being tackled, so plenty of noise appeals to certain people, but to me that's preaching to the choir, its the middle that they need to win over.

I don't feel that the Conservatives are trying to 'loose' the next election, but they could do with tightening up their policies and message. Sorry OP, couldn't resist. I'm sure you know the difference between 'loose' and 'lose'.

They lost my vote with the destruction of the economy, jobs, mental health and child development in response to COVID. To win it back they'll need to realise the tax threshold for higher rate is ridiculous, people on £50k are not high earners and don't deserve a tax rate with NI that goes beyond 50% of earnings. Problem is that alternative is Labour, where their leader takes the knee to criminal extreme political lobbiests and won't state what they believe a woman to be. I suppose i'll need to vote for the least bad option.

at this point I'm hoping one of the nordic countries would invade us as we are clearly no longer able to govern ourselves

I agree Op, I think some Conservatives would like to hand over the mess to another party, or maybe have a hung Parliament. That's what I would be hoping for were I in office at the moment. Then my plan would be to regroup my party and hopefully storm to victory at the following GE 😁

I insist I am NOT trying to start a bun-fight, but please can someone explain how the whole concrete thing is the fault of the current government because I'm not seeing it. Isn't it more of a historical building materials thing - like asbestos?

Sadly there are enough die-hard Tory voters who'll vote for them regardless.
My prediction for the next election is a repeat of past election scenarious. Mumsnet, social media etc will be full of posts saying the Tories are finished and bound to lose. Tory voters will largely remain silent
Everyone will be astonished when the Tories win .

could be an option 😂

https://x.com/bossloper/status/1482736973492195333?s=46&t=AT7qg6AUBRjouZ7Yo783pw

That would be wonderful. I’d walk towards them, white flag in hand.

Because a not crap government would have been investing in schools and their infrastructure, not scrapping building schools for the future etc. Then, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue because a lot of these schools would have been redone by now.

Also, telling schools about it days before the start of term when they’ve known for months was definitely their fault.