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AIBU to feel think this woman has the maturity of a 6 year old, and the self-awareness of a corpse?

182 replies

harerunner · 01/09/2023 22:59

The headline gives you an idea...

"I’m a single mum who’s turned to food banks after spending £1k on my bloke’s holiday – when we got home I was ghosted"

The details in the story show a woman who is breathtakingly irresponsible...

www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/23749211/single-mum-ghosted-after-paying-for-boyfriends-holiday/

Does she expect seriously sympathy for her astounding fecklessness and utter stupidity?

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harerunner · 02/09/2023 07:42

@MidnightOnceMore

The Sun is a piece of shit. What do you even read it for? It only exists to make gullible readers hate their fellow citizens.

Fair point. I don't generally ever read the Sun. It's the first article I've read for years. I realise I've played into their hands with my reaction and regret starting this thread as a result.

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harerunner · 02/09/2023 07:42

That said, I do find it fascinating and infuriating that some posters seem determined to paint this woman as the hapless and helpless victim of a con, and seem eager to blame men for all "misfortunes" that befall women however thoughtless, irresponsible and feckless that woman might be. This naive "sexual tribalism" and binary concept that men = bad; women = good isn't healthy.

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SurprisedWithAHorse · 02/09/2023 07:45

harerunner · 02/09/2023 07:42

That said, I do find it fascinating and infuriating that some posters seem determined to paint this woman as the hapless and helpless victim of a con, and seem eager to blame men for all "misfortunes" that befall women however thoughtless, irresponsible and feckless that woman might be. This naive "sexual tribalism" and binary concept that men = bad; women = good isn't healthy.

Riveting social commentary on a hard-hitting news story that really shows your genuine concern for what's healthy and right.

Whitepaleness · 02/09/2023 07:48

DdraigGoch · 02/09/2023 00:00

How gullible can someone be though? Never mind that it's received wisdom on here that new relationships should be managed slowly if there are kids in the picture, taking months before so much as an introduction to them, let alone bringing him on holiday.

The only thing I can think is she must have a low IQ and low emotional intelligence. It’s the only reason I can think of as like you said most people aren’t that dim.

harerunner · 02/09/2023 07:51

GreyNomad · 02/09/2023 07:17

Silly OP. She's not a just brainless twat. Women are ALWAYS victims. Always. Didn't you realise?

Yes, ALWAYS victims... Women have no ability or capacity to take any responsibility for their actions. They're on a par with a toddler or a dog.

Of course what I wrote just above isn't true, but that's effectively what a few "sympathetic" posters are in effect implying. They're denigrating and dehumanising women, removing any agency they have, all from a warped sense of sympathy and kindness.

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user1473878824 · 02/09/2023 07:59

TheLadyofShalott1 · 02/09/2023 02:18

Wow! Am I the only one here who remembers - with honesty - being young once?

When I was very young I met a young man who was, on paper, the sort of man both your mum and gran would think was a great match. He was a few years older than me and very well educated. We got married as soon as I was an adult, and we started having children a few years later. But this very bright, and seemingly upstanding man, had an affair and left me for his mistress.

How do any of us know when we are young, in love, and idealistic, whether the person we have met is who we thought they were? Yes, this young woman had not known her 'boyfriend' for long, and yes she fell for his lies, and was unfortunately not - able to be - sensible with her money. Again, yes, it would be great that if with every baby we give birth to we acquired ever more commonsensence, and were able to harden our hearts to wanting and needing the love of a man in order to, at least on one level, feel good about ourselves. I know that some of you will claim to have already had enough sense to never get in this young woman's predicament, and that no man could ever make you feel any better or worse about yourself.

Well, unfortunately for me, my baby-brain, together with my lack of any previous experience (of any kind, including romantic relationships), meant that I never realised that the man I fell in love with was lying to me, and was actually having an affair. I didn't find out the truth until the night he told me he was leaving me for his (married) mistress, and even then I found it very hard to believe understand what he was saying, it was so against everything I thought that I knew about him.

So on paper, I had done almost everything right, I met someone who was not only very handsome, but seemed to be a loving and caring person, was a great kisser (it was 5 months before we had penetrative sex, and I had already agreed to marry him by then), who also had great career prospects - not that that would have made any difference to me, it wasn't his career or earning potential that I was interested in at the time (!!) - and who I fell deeply in love with. We went out together for a couple of years before we got married.

This young and naive mum who is being vilified here (becoming a mum doesn't suddenly change you from being naive to knowing everything that you need to know about life, and about men in particular) was sadly fooled by someone who probably made her feel attractive and desirable again - which can be a very heady feeling for someone who is no longer with the father of her children, who may not have a completely flat stomach any more, who might actually have stretch marks - and yet all that most of the Mumsnetters who are commenting here can do, is have a massive go at her for being a young mum who hasn't managed to suss the out world of men yet.

Therefore, I do feel very sorry for her, and I think
to myself

"there but for the grace of God..."

I hope that this is a lesson that she can learn from. I also hope that she doesn't realise that so many of her female peers and elders have no compassion for her, or any other women who has not been as lucky - Yes, I do mean lucky - as they have been.
If I had had that wonderful thing called "hindsight" as a foresight, I would have still mainly done what I did do, because without my DexH I would not have my wonderful and amazing Children and Grandchildren, or learned the lessons that I have learned.

Maybe the young mum being talked about here will look back when she is an old lady, and be thankful for her recent experience! It might have helped her learn some very valuble lessons, and saved her more heartache and greater losses in what is, as yet, her future still to come.

NB: My apologies to Mr Dickens if he thinks I got too close to plagiarism just then.

……Jesus Christ.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 02/09/2023 08:00

Whitepaleness · 02/09/2023 07:48

The only thing I can think is she must have a low IQ and low emotional intelligence. It’s the only reason I can think of as like you said most people aren’t that dim.

Edited

On the other hand...she had a lovely holiday chomping lobster with the guy she fancied, who also looked after her children for her (the only part of this story that bothers me). Her family and friends gave her £1k to achieve this, the pizza man gave her £40 (which he would not have done if she were ugly so I'm not crying for him either) and now the newspapers are giving her money and printing pictures of her. She will probably be on This Morning next week, and the whole palaver will help her get followers.

Every cloud...

LlynTegid · 02/09/2023 08:04

If only we made it more acceptable to be single and not in a relationship, perhaps then there would not be men who exploit women believing they are almost desperate to be in a relationship.

As for being gullible, perhaps The Sun should look in the mirror. After all they fell for the lies members of South Yorkshire Police told them in the days after 15 April 1989.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 08:18

I suppose selling all these stories will help recoup some of the money?

Regholdsworthswaterbed · 02/09/2023 08:22

Imagine doing something this stupid and then sharing it in the newspaper so everyone else knows what a moron you are 😳

harerunner · 02/09/2023 08:26

On the other hand...she had a lovely holiday chomping lobster with the guy she fancied, who also looked after her children for her (the only part of this story that bothers me). Her family and friends gave her £1k to achieve this, the pizza man gave her £40 (which he would not have done if she were ugly so I'm not crying for him either) and now the newspapers are giving her money and printing pictures of her. She will probably be on This Morning next week, and the whole palaver will help her get followers.

Indeed...

She knew she didn't have the money to do this, but she did it anyway because she knew family would lend her £100s...

She knew she had the safety net of a food bank when she returned (this guy gave no indication he'd be able to repay this money - he admitted he was skint).

She was devious enough to cobble a sufficiently credible sob story, no doubt using her youth and attentiveness to "con" a delivery driver (not usually the wealthiest of people!) out of £40.

She realised she could earn more money by being shameless and sell this to the Sun.

She's made fools of us all! Including me! Shame on me 🤣🤣

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SurprisedWithAHorse · 02/09/2023 08:27

Regholdsworthswaterbed · 02/09/2023 08:22

Imagine doing something this stupid and then sharing it in the newspaper so everyone else knows what a moron you are 😳

There are threads on here every day from women who have somehow been sweet talked, conned or coerced into giving money to useless men.

Epidote · 02/09/2023 08:27

She is not really that broke. She goes on holidays every year. It is more like she lives by the month and the extra 1000 cause her a fall out in her finances. Which is bad enough, but she will recover soon, learn the lesson and also got a really nice gesture on the side. Overall experience not that bad.
I don't see her as an empty brain, just young, relationship wise naive (lobster and cocktails like a honey moon etc ) and a bit reckless to not see her companion being a CF.

It is the way the article it is worded that makes you think she is idiot more than the actual story, which can happen to quite a lot of people, there was just a thread that someone when on holidays with 35 quids.

There are piss takers everywhere disguise as family, lovers, friends etc.

Shoelaces7 · 02/09/2023 08:29

This is why when some ignorant people say 'you don't know responsibility until you have children', or a colleague's recent (shocking), 'you're not a real adult unless you have children', I say, have you ever watched Jeremy Kyle 😳 I feel for the kids :(

SurprisedWithAHorse · 02/09/2023 08:35

Epidote · 02/09/2023 08:27

She is not really that broke. She goes on holidays every year. It is more like she lives by the month and the extra 1000 cause her a fall out in her finances. Which is bad enough, but she will recover soon, learn the lesson and also got a really nice gesture on the side. Overall experience not that bad.
I don't see her as an empty brain, just young, relationship wise naive (lobster and cocktails like a honey moon etc ) and a bit reckless to not see her companion being a CF.

It is the way the article it is worded that makes you think she is idiot more than the actual story, which can happen to quite a lot of people, there was just a thread that someone when on holidays with 35 quids.

There are piss takers everywhere disguise as family, lovers, friends etc.

It's an absolute non story. Woman pays to take boyfriend away and he dumps her when they get back. He's an arsehole, she's a bit foolish, but we see variations on this theme on here every day from women who are much older. People do silly things when under the influence of love SHOCKER. This is embarrassing but hardly ruinous. It's not even a divorce.

But of course it's great clickbait for people who have an urge to stick the boot in to a young woman with candy coloured hair. And if you can fool anyone into thinking it's all about your incredibly insightful opinions and concern about "sexual tribalism" (dear God, that's far more embarrassing than an unwise short love affair), you've got what you want, I guess.

ReleasetheCrackHen · 02/09/2023 08:36

harerunner · 02/09/2023 07:42

That said, I do find it fascinating and infuriating that some posters seem determined to paint this woman as the hapless and helpless victim of a con, and seem eager to blame men for all "misfortunes" that befall women however thoughtless, irresponsible and feckless that woman might be. This naive "sexual tribalism" and binary concept that men = bad; women = good isn't healthy.

I’m not blaming “men for all misfortunes that befall women” don’t be daft.

I’m blaming this man for what he has done to this woman.

There was nothing misfortunate about this, this was a deliberate romeo scam done by a conniving and manipulative twat.

ReleasetheCrackHen · 02/09/2023 08:37

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/09/2023 02:17

Believe me, we get blamed when we are raped and murdered by men pretending at romance too.

Never underestimate the pervasiveness of the first Rule of Misogyny.

I don’t disagree, but usually it’s not 90% of mumsnet joining in on the village stoning.

ReleasetheCrackHen · 02/09/2023 08:39

harerunner · 02/09/2023 06:23

@ReleasetheCrackHen

How is she a “grabby cow” when she’s literally been robbed of £1k of money by twat who used her for a free Greek holiday, free room and board, free lobster/champagne? If anyone was “grabby” it was him!

You're being ridiculous... He didn't rob her of anything! She WILLINGLY paid for it all - She even says as much!... And there was no evidence of any coercion.

And who the hell buys lobster dinners when it means borrowing from your parents? The guy was grabby, but she willingly indulged him.

I do have a lot of sympathy for those people who need food banks who genuinely find themselves in hard times, but not for the fame-hungry and feckless fool.

Besides, how irresponsible do you have to be to invite a guy on a foreign holiday with their young kids after a few cinema/dinner dates?

You are only displaying your ignorance here, please take the time to look up what the Romeo scam is before commenting further on the manipulation and coercion of vulnerable women.

SurprisedWithAHorse · 02/09/2023 08:41

ReleasetheCrackHen · 02/09/2023 08:36

I’m not blaming “men for all misfortunes that befall women” don’t be daft.

I’m blaming this man for what he has done to this woman.

There was nothing misfortunate about this, this was a deliberate romeo scam done by a conniving and manipulative twat.

The reaction on here was the same for the Tinder Swindler, and that was much more elaborate and sophisticated. Basically a load of posters feeling very spiteful because the victims thought they were dating a rich man, and very superior because they thought they were too clever ever to fall for something like this. One woman said she'd never even be targeted because she liked reading and backpacking.

ReleasetheCrackHen · 02/09/2023 08:42

harerunner · 02/09/2023 06:36

@MidnightOnceMore

My feelings in my post are more directed towards @ReleasetheCrackHen and the absurd level of sympathy she's showing, and her complete unwillingness to expect this woman to display any morsel of responsibility! It's insulting and patronising to infantilise women in this way, and to always make them out to be hapless victims of men, irrespective of circumstances.

Oh give over. At the end of the article she takes full responsibility for her mistake in trusting in guy. The fact is that women twice her age with far more wisdom and nous about men get taken in by Romeo scammers all the time. You seem unwilling to think that men could possibly hoodwink women out of money and free Greek holidays in the Sun.

ReleasetheCrackHen · 02/09/2023 08:44

Vettrianofan · 02/09/2023 06:45

Only one poster here that has the ability to read between the lines 🙌

That’s how I read it too. I was just shocked at the unnecessary harsh judgement and vitriol towards her from the OP on downwards.

Dolores87 · 02/09/2023 08:44

It says she saved up bit by bit to go on holiday.

Poor people are allowed to have enjoyable lives even though they are poor.

The thing I can see that she has done wrong here is pay for this man she's just met to come and gone to the papers about it, that is a weird thing to do, but I don't begrudge her a holiday she had slowly saved for because she needed to use a food bank

SurprisedWithAHorse · 02/09/2023 08:44

She may well have shared her non-story in the hope of warning other women off being similarly conned.

She lost a grand and a few weeks on a shit boyfriend. Not great but hardly life ruining. Look at the stories we get on here every day from women who give their entire lives over to shitty men.

ThickSkinnedSoWhat · 02/09/2023 08:45

ReleasetheCrackHen · 01/09/2023 23:39

I actually feel sorry for her. She’d budgeted for her holiday for herself and her kids. He then does the Romeo scam on her and got her to pay to fly him out and then winkled more money for her to pay all his food, expenses and so on.
That then meant she was out an extra £1k she hadn’t planned on, that he’d promised to pay her back. They get back and he ghosts her saying she’s “not his type”.

He totally fucked her over.

I don't. I am taking my child on our first holiday next year and I've scrimped and saved since her birth to do it as I'm a lone parent, no child maintenance and a very low income. It would NEVER cross my mind to then take my child away and use that money intended to make our holiday special, to bring over some muppet I hardly knew to not only eat into our special time together on our holiday, but to spend all our money. Behave yourself, nothing about what she did was responsible.

LakeTiticaca · 02/09/2023 08:45

Why bother taking responsibility for yoi own actions when the taxpayer/charity will sort it out

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