Do you drink every day on holiday?

[holidaywine]

Wondering about this. Normally I stick to weekends for a few drinks, with the odd mid week couple of glasses of wine at an events or somesuch.

But on holiday we drank every day for a week. A beer or cocktail or two before dinner, and then sharing a bottle of wine for example. Had a weekend of no alcohol after coming home, just to get a break, but we're away this weekend again so will drink this weekend too.

If you drink, do you drink quite a bit more on holiday?

Sweet Jesus we are well and truly fucked then 😂🙈

Which means that 95% of cancer deaths are caused by something else and that's before accounting for all the people who die of something else other than cancer.

Or accounting for the fact that taking time to enjoy life is good for mental and physical health. Or there being a huge distance between a single glass of 'really good local wine' and getting blotto.

Over half of cancer deaths are not preventable. Why not try and cut your chances in half? That’s my view at any rate. If you’re happy doubling your risk that’s no skin off my back.

Good grief - life is about balance! And enjoying fun times with friends and family.

Watch the Netflix series Blue Zones about parts of the world where they live the longest. They most certainly enjoy wine and one of the biggest influences on longevity was community - not being alone, socialising..and exercising and diet. There’s plenty we can do to be healthy without giving up alcohol if we enjoy it.

If you don’t enjoy alcohol and it doesn’t agree with you then fine. But don’t be all smug and judgy to those that do. I can guarantee I’m healthier than many that don’t drink - I run about 30 miles a week, eat healthily and am slim

@ReleasetheCrackHen I’m with you on this, but didn’t say it myself because those who want to drink a lot don’t want to hear it! Then there is the risk becoming addicted (though not if people only drink lightly when not on holiday). The risk and fall out from that is grossly underestimated.

I fail to see how providing scientific statistics on the cancers caused by alcohol is being “smug and jugy”. The same for stating I have seen what alcohol can do to the human body. I watched two close relatives die from the stuff, so I think I can say what I like about alcohol the carcinogen and toxin without you taking it as an attack on your lifestyle choices.

I agree life is about balance and enjoying good times with family and friends. Smokers used to say the same about having a cigarette and socialising, you’re basically saying you can’t enjoy life without alcohol. That’s you. Millions of people get the benefits of longevity via community without using alcohol. You could too if you wanted to.

I understand it’s easier to not know or not be reminded of the risks of alcohol. It’s easier to just have a thread on how good it makes you feel, on how much you enjoy using it. I’m not sure you can guarantee you are healthier than many who don’t drink
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/drinking-moderately-not-healthier-than-abstaining-rcna77604

I’m not going to preach though. I’ve said my opinion. And I’ve posted the facts. Hopefully it will cause some to rethink their lifestyle choices or perhaps choose just to drink less while on holiday. Women are especially vulnerable to alcohol btw. So with that, I’ll leave the thread so it can continue in a more lighthearted fashion.

I’m saying I enjoy the odd glass of wine. Like many healthy people who live a long life. In fact for some reason moderate drinkers live longer than teetotallers. Complex factors at play for sure. But just because of your experience don’t project on others that like an odd drink. We’re not talking alcoholism here.

If you can say you never eat processed food, you exercise a good 4 plus times a week, are not even slightly overweight then yes your risk of cancer will be slightly lower.

If you are overweight your risk will be higher than someone who drinks moderately but is super fit. See balance?!

In fact for some reason moderate drinkers live longer than teetotallers.

In the interest of ensuring facts are facts. That’s been debunked. The studies that claimed that didn’t adjust for people who quit drinking because they were alcoholics or because they had serious health problems that forced them to abstain. Once you adjust for this confounding factor, it’s quite clear any amount of drink increases your mortality risk and reduces life expectancy. It’s all in the link I provided.

Medical News

Lots of different studies say different things. This says even with other factors accounted for the risk of death still higher for teetotallers.

Science often produces different studies with different results. You see this in the news all the time.

But that really isn’t the basis of my argument so I’ll move on.

My argument is unless you are slim, never lie in the sun, never eat any processed food then you aren’t in any position to criticise those who enjoy a few glasses of wine as part of a healthy lifestyle.

I don’t go on to threads telling overweight people they are far more likely to die of cancer than slim
people. Though it’s the truth isn’t it?
But I’d come across like a judgy twat. Especially if I wasn’t perfectly healthy in all other areas of life.

Life is a series of calculated risks. We all make our choices and I refuse to judge other people who may make slightly different risk assessment than I do.

Heck some people may not want to live to 100 as some plant based health nut vegan who never touches a drop of anything unhealthy. Each to their own.

@Delatron
By Christian Nordqvist on August 30, 2010
Yes, all those studies from 13yrs ago have been debunked. Your understanding is over a decade out of date.

Please read my link which I have reposted
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/drinking-moderately-not-healthier-than-abstaining-rcna77604

which talks about this study
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802963?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=033123
March 31, 2023
Association Between Daily Alcohol Intake and Risk of All-Cause Mortality
A Systematic Review and Meta-analyses in the JAMA:

Findings This systematic review and meta-analysis of 107 cohort studies involving more than 4.8 million participants found no significant reductions in risk of all-cause mortality for drinkers who drank less than 25 g of ethanol per day (about 2 Canadian standard drinks compared with lifetime nondrinkers) after adjustment for key study characteristics such as median age and sex of study cohorts. There was a significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among female drinkers who drank 25 or more grams per day and among male drinkers who drank 45 or more grams per day.
Meaning Low-volume alcohol drinking was not associated with protection against death from all causes.

cheers.

Frankly I don't care if my very moderate enjoyment of alcohol means I die a few years younger. I could live my life being lean, eating super healthy food, never drinking or smoking (I don't smoke) or doing anything else - and still get run over by a drunk driver, develop cancer or die in some other unrelated way. And I'd have missed out on acres of fun. Like everything else, size doesn't matter - it's what you do with it. Length of life definitely is incuded in that.

My argument is unless you are slim, never lie in the sun, never eat any processed food then you aren’t in any position to criticise those who enjoy a few glasses of wine as part of a healthy lifestyle.

Im not criticising you personally. As I said before you do you, no skin off my back. My only comment was in regards to people choosing to avoid/being more afraid of skin cancer that only 1-2% of people die of than they appear to be compared to alcohol related cancers that double the number of people die of when observing holiday behaviours of a minority of holiday makers that slather on suncream and then proceed to get blotto.

If that is not you, then I’ve not criticised you. If it is you, then what do you want an apology? Ok, sorry I think such behaviour is bizarre. I’d say the same about people going on holiday without travel insurance or people on holiday deciding that getting drunk and then jet skiing sounds like good fun.

The science on this changes all this time. I said it’s not the basis of my argument. There are many studies that have shown the opposite to what you have posted. Hence why I am not basing my argument on it. Let’s say you’re right since that’s the only argument you have.

Funny how you can’t reply to the rest of my points. Hmmm…

You do realise obesity causes far more cancers? 4-8%?

These “many studies” are all over a decade out of date, you are welcome to your own opinion but not your own current facts when it comes to science. You are free to correct me of course if the science ever changes its mind on this. But as of 3 Sep 2023, no amount of alcohol is healthy.

And being overweight by any amount is unhealthy. Where do you want to go with this? Life is about balanced risk. You have chosen to focus on one thing that has a certain risk and remove it from your life. Others focus on other things that have more of a risk (weight/ bad diet).

Well exactly. We could die of many, many things.

Yes

This isn’t a thread about obesity.

As it is, I posted my answer to the OP’s question and the next three posts after my post have been posters including you judging my low alcohol lifestyle choice and the scientific reasons for it.

I have not responded to anyone’s posts and been judgemental of their lifestyle choices. But you have.

The rest is quibbling over the science. Which I put my hand up, I’ve done my fair share of.

You have chosen to focus on one thing that I have done to reduce cancer risk and to criticise it. It’s not the only thing I have done, it just happens to be a truthful answer to the OP’s question.

Not really. Ex H did though. From the moment we arrived at the airport. Every day he was just marking time till he could have the first beer and then the whole day revolved around where the next beer could be had. Utterly tedious and stressful. Every time I go on holiday alone with my children now I feel a wave of relief that I don’t have to deal with that crap anymore.

Yep and not just on AI holidays either, just done a US road trip and had a drink or 2 every day

I don’t go on to threads telling overweight people they are far more likely to die of cancer than slim people. Though it’s the truth isn’t it?

No it isn’t. Low-normal BMI is associated with worse outcomes for cancer.

I haven’t criticised your decision I’m questioning why you are ramming stats down everyone’s throats that we are all perfectly aware of.

We are all making our own choices, most of us without judgement. You focus on removing alcohol. I don’t judge or care.

I will carry on enjoying alcohol moderately as all the other areas of my life are pretty healthy.