To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

It's happening to our children and anyone who objects is being told they are a right wing nazi bigot, despite many of us being at pride marches, despite many of us being lesbian, gay or bisexual ourselves. Many of us being Labour or SNP or Green voters our whole lives.

So then we are told "It's the Tories who have manufactured this."

Please tell me exactly how the Times and Mail reporting on the bullshit happening in schools or prisons or hospitals is somehow wrong?

There was a tv clip of Ed Balls trotting out trans ideology that his teen had fed him, and being shocked that not everyone thought like him. That’s what made me realise Labour weren’t doing any critical thinking on this because if they had they would see that trans ideology is mysoginistic fantasy.

you can either believe in women’s rights or trans ideology, not both

Take a look at Wales before you blame the Tories for this!

Under Welsh Labour and Mark Drakeford it's far far worse. Look at the Welsh sex education curriculum and be thankful you live in England!

Funny how I never see this line trotted out to defend the SNP or the opposition parties. Just the Tories.

Which makes you wonder why the Green Party (who ought to be talking about the planet more than anyone) seem to be prioritising getting men into women's spaces above all else.

Not disagreeing with you, but want to highlight it's not just about the physical risk to women from men, or the desire not to be faced with a swinging todger in a space both you and the todger-bearer know was set up as todger-free for good reasons, and the bearing of a rodger within is the TRA equivalent of going "na na na na na you can't stop me!"...

It's also about whether women will be able to say "growing up female in patriarchy disadvantages us, and if society wants us to reach our full potential to contribute, we need opportunities and support that is different to people who grew up male. We need opportunities to learn what we can do and to show what we can do without being sidelined and spoken over by those with more confidence but less to offer. We need recognition that decision-makers still subconsciously trust and promote men over women, and we need that to stop happening." None of these things can be done if we cannot identify and at times support women separately from men.

Well obviously. Those if us saying this is not a Tory creation frequently point out that gender ideology has infiltrated national and international organisations on a global scale; you on the other hand are obsessed with laying the blame at the Tories door. I agree they were happy to go along with it for sometime but are now listening and taking action which is more than can be said for other political parties.

The GRR undid Nicola Sturgeon and when added to other problems the SNP has been destroyed yet they are still committed to bringing in self ID despite the absence of public support for it. I don't believe they are completely insane or stupid so my question is why? Aren't you interested in the answer to that question?

I understand why most political parties thought it was a cheap and easy vote winner but that hasn't turned out to be the case so why is it only the Conservatives trying to turn the gender ideology juggernaut around?

They did not “create” this from nowhere. Feminists, including women on mumsnet, were raising concerns for years before the Conservative party took any notice. They have exploited the situation, you’re right- something they would not have been able to do if the “progressive” parties hadn’t been so completely uninterested in listening to what we had to say, and so happy to tell us to take our concerns off into the political wilderness and stay there.

Do you think safeguarding is going back because of current sex education? Or because of the risks of men posing as trans women being violent in women's spaces?

We now have a subset of men who are suddenly and unquestionably immune from all the usual social norms and legal restrictions of all other men, on nothing but their word or imagined 'woman' feelings.

What exactly is the difference between a transwomen and a man posing as a transwoman?
There is no way of separating the dysphoric men from the sexually motivated transvestites or AGP's. Which is why it's vital that female spaces remain exactly that, and that schools etc uphold the legal exemptions that allow the exclusion of ALL males in specific circumstances.

Schools in one breath teach girls about boundaries and consent, then in the next tell them that their boundaries and consent are irrelevant if a man who claims to be a woman wants access to their spaces and bodies.

Also, to those shouting about how 'it's just like objections to gay rights'
No it isn't. At all.
Being a gay man was illegal. They were imprisoned, tortured, drugged, forced out of employment etc.
Gay men never demanded we alter our language, pretend they were women, want child safeguarding dismantled, or removal of women's rights or want access fo female only spaces.
They just wanted the same basic human rights as every other man.

Transwomen already have the exact same rights as every other MAN.
What they WANT is for everyone else to pretend they are not men, for any reason, including sex based crime statistics and child safeguarding.

Then there are the issues of legally enforced religious beliefs, loss of free speech and thought etc.

Those who don't care because is 'doesn't affect them" until it does....

Imagine no female only anything, ever.
Imagine it being illegal to speak the truth.

There are lesbian groups in Australia and Canada who cannot organize events that should naturally exclude men. Because the penis owners who fetishise lesbians and call themselves women must be 'included'.
If you cannot see the blatant homophobia and misogyny here, you might need to look into why you prioritise male feelings above female reality and rights.

Gender ideology affects all the political parties and impacts all women and children.

It is the Labour Party driving the woke agenda which other parties have to respond to
labour do not worry about china and Russia buying up the world natural resources mad long as we are all do very pc
china is taking over the world
anyone who is young now is going to have a very difficult future due to the dominance of china but all they are indoctrinated with is the woke ideology

Labour - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

SNP - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

Green - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

Lib Dem - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

Conservative - Trans women are male, females have the right to sex protected spaces, children should not be rushed into medical transition.

"The Tories have created this!"

No.
For reasons that are wholly unfucking-known, it takes the right wing to opt for the protection of women over the feelings of men.

I'm starting to think that people who can't see the misogyny and homophobia of this movement as being deliberately and willfully abusive. What else is it?

Tories: torying

US postmodernist academics: sex is a racist white supremacist concept and women can have penises!

Fetishists and autogynephiles: HELLZ YEAH!

Women: Whuttttt???

Labour: We agree with this and if you're worried about your rights, you're a bigot! Rights are not pie!

Women: No way are we gonna let this slide

Tories - [realise this is a political wedge issue] - biological sex matters!

Women: We agree, even though we may disagree with you on lots of other things!

Labour - it's all the evil Toriez what did this

Conservative - TWAW, TMAM said a Tory minister at the Despatch Box in response to the HoL asking for genderwoo to be removed from a Maternity Bill.

Conservative - I don't know the definition of girl and we don't need a legal definition said the Tory Sec of State for Education. What we need is a good old British fudge where girls can wait while boys claiming to be girls use the facilities first.

Conservative - it's OK to put violent male sex offenders into women's jails.

Conservative - Woman retweets JKR and is reported to the police by a Conservative MP.

Conservative - PM Johnson refuses to say that only women have a cervix. PM Sunak says a woman is whatever Boris Johnson says.

Conservative - I'm going to be a woman said a dodgy as fuck male MP. Cue round of applause and calls of stunning bravery.

Conservative - Include trans in Conversion Therapy Ban.

Conservative - fucking women over in every way possible.

Good question

So why is it only the Conservatives who are trying to turn the gender ideology juggernaut around.

They're not. They've been saying that they are for years but have done fuck all. They haven't even been able to publish guidance for schools. It's just more Tory lies.

Exactly.

I posted an article by Stephanie Davies-Arai on another thread as I thought it deserved one of its own but she clearly describes the trajectory of the capture of education by the gender ideologues under the tories.

You rely on half truths to vent your spleen about the fucking Tories at every turn so I really don't think it's wise for you to point the finger at others for being less than 100% honest. Do you ever post about anything other than your Tory hatred?

The civil service has been infiltrated I would imagine trying to get the schools guidance published has been like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

Did you read the Cass review? Did you notice the Tavi being closed?
Did you notice that the Tories have taken self ID off the table?

This shit show has been decades in the making, it's probably only two years since some politicians woke up to what their inaction was leading to and now they are doing something. Everything from prisons to health, to the police, judiciary and education needs reviewing.

The parties not in power are under no such pressure and they still can't even confidently define biological sex never mind give guarantees about single sex spaces. Labour are still talking about safe spaces for women, wtf are they? Places we can retreat to to avoid being triggered by state enabled gaslighting?

@TooBigForMyBoots Pretty sure that both Johnson and Sunak have shown awareness of what a woman is, and is not, which appears to contradict one of your assertions
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-trans-swimming-ban-b2110030.html

And trans is conversion therapy.

@Verv, they spin on a sixpence.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/news/uk-to-include-trans-people-in-conversion-therapy-ban-01673974223

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4517255-JHB-asks-Rishi-Sunak-what-is-a-woman

Not just Education. Women and Equalities has been headed by Con MP Caroline TWAW Nokes for years.

I think the Tories could have killed it off by saying its not happening and putting in appropriate guidance and law.

But equally I think Labour etc could have killed it off by saying women are women and we need to look at this in a different way because if you are trans you haven't changed sex and you can't change sex.

No one wants to kill it off. Why?

The Tory reason not to kill it off is as simple as it is cynic - its become such a big issue, it will influence come the GE. If they do anything before a GE then they lose that as an election cause - theres no reason for GCs to vote for them.

But thats why it comes back to the point about Labour being able to kill this too but choosing not to.

The issue was around before it was on the Tory radar though. The cultural war on this was created by the people who said that you could change sex. Thats not the Tories. But it doesn't mean that they aren't deliberately prolonging it - but all parties are guilty of that and have the power to reverse that.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

I also greatly resent the suggestion that because I am GC that I am anything other than a right wing zealot.

On the very odd occasion I've put my head above the parapet (on social media/at work) to so much as question anything related to the impact on women's rights/safeguarding, I've been told im basically an idiot/dinosaur with no grasp on critical thinking. Im a law graduate. I also have an MSc, and 20 years experience working in public policy. I've read widely on this subject.

I have never voted Tory, because of their stance on pretty much everything else, but the fact that the other parties, who i'd usually gravitate towards, cannot see the flaws in this approach leaves me politically adrift. I was a Labour Party member, but their stance on this made me cancel my membership.
There are clearly many other public policy areas that are really important, but that doesn't diminish the significance of this one!

The pp got close to answering your question when they said there’s not much that separates parties bar being ‘progressive’

Which by its virtue has to keep going, this time by rearranging the world upside down - which most know is to the detriment of women and children

No one wants to kill it off. Why?

Money and power.

Gender bollocks is a global multi billion a year gravy train that also has the convenient added bonus of removing women's rights, child safeguarding and the right to dare question the batshit new religion.
While Indoctrination of the youth to the new think in schools like any good totalitarianism regime continues.

In 2015, stonewall were given money to promote transgender ideology and queer theory by weathly men. To add the 'T' because adding it to respected LGB rights campaign group and pushing the whole 'trans kids' narrative would help sanitize and hide the motives of adult males with sexual paraphilias.

The 'T' wouldn't have gotten anywhere on it's own, or without the children to hide behind.

This isn't just about Tories vs labour.
Most people I know who think gender ideology is nonsense are naturally left leaning. This whole shitshow has shown me just how little women as a sex class are thought of politically and socially by everyone in power.