To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

So what have the Tories actually done, they are in government? The transgender guidance for schools was promised by Easter, still not published now, for example.

All talk and no action.

The tories brought in the gender recognition act to allow the old kind of homosexual transexual (as opposed to straight transgender male who likes the idea of themselves as a woman) to marry their male partners. A more progressive move would have been to legalise gay marriage. When gay marriage was brought in, there was really no need to hang on to the GRA.

I'd be willing to believe that Tories and maybe even hostile states have a hand in screwing up Labour with all this, yes. Apparently city bankers joined Labour in order to vote in Jeremy Corbyn because they knew he would be divisive for Labour. This could be more of the same kind of interference.

However, Labour don't have to run with any of this. They don't have to bow to powerful lobby groups just because they've coated themselves in glitter.

There is nothing inherently left wing or socialist about gender ideology. It is ultra capitalist and created to line the pockets of American Big Pharma. It is utterly individualistic; anyone remember Thatcher's famous phrase " there's no such thing as society, only the individual"? Unlike any other rights movement before it, modern day trans activism (not all trans people etc) uses marginalised groups as shields and appropriates the language of feminism, disability rights and the struggle for racial equality. It has even infiltrated the environmental movement.

Ordinary people are being turned off any movement that appears to accept trans rights ideology. And that's most other activism (as well as left wing parties) because they've all been influenced by people with power. And this does obviously benefit the Tories. This process of alienating ordinary people is currently being sped up by the unwillingness on the left to see and reject paedophilic elements that have latched themselves onto trans rights activism.

One more thing... We live in a homophobic, misogynist society. It's not a fucking culture war if you're a mother wanting her non conforming child to grow up without being sterilised. It's not a fucking culture war if the experience of male violence leaves you with PTSD and the need for female HCPs and single sex spaces.

It’s all the conservatives fault? There I was thinking it was the fault of men’s obsession with their dicks. But ok, it’s all conservatives fault, so explain Canada?

Agree 100%. What I find disappointing is the lack of thinking employed by Labour on this. It’s not bigoted or in any way transphobic to say that men will claim to be a transwomen to access women’s changing rooms. It’s not bigoted or transphobic to say this. Genuinely trans people don’t worry me. It’s those that will claim to be trans to access places they shouldn’t be for sexual kicks, they worry me. Labour just don’t seem to see this at all.

Wasn’t it Labour who introduced the gender recognition act?

Absolutely to this post but particularly

This thread reads like a soft poll for the Labour Party, with a bunch of members allowing their party loyalty to override their own common sense.

It was WOMEN who dragged this into the sunlight at great personal risk - women like Dr Nic Williams, Sharron Davies, Maya Forstarter and of course JKRowling. The fact the left wing press and the supposedly neutral BBC have failed to report on it is not the fault of women standing up for our rights, and safeguarding children.

if we lose the rhint to state facts, if we lose the definition of “women” as adult human females we lose our rights. That’s a massive issue for me and I won’t be told that’s it’s not as important as ones that matter personally to other people.

Wasn’t it Labour who introduced the gender recognition act?

Yes it was in 2004. The debates are recorded in Hansard and there is nothing that is happening now that was not flagged at the time and hand waved away. David "you can grow a cervix" Lammy played a major role in getting it passed into law. It's a law which was, at the time, described as a legal fiction but in our dystopian present you are transphobic if you don't think that males become indistinguishable from females if they say they "feel like a woman".

We are not in Canada. This is the UK, where the Tories have been in power for the last 13 years. In that time they have bent over backwards for the trans lobby.

Of course our young people are confused. An entire cohort of children have come through secondary school with Tory TWAW believers directing education.

They're pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining. Most people have copped on, but some are lapping it up, opening their mouths to swallow down the same Tory bullshit. At least the Conservatives know what a woman is was a slogan dreamt up by Tory spin doctors and spread by their shills. It was never true and it's still not true. If it was, they'd have done something by now. Instead they can't even get guidance for schools sorted.

@HermioneWeasley the BBC, Stephen Nolan investigation into Stonewall was very effective.

I wouldn't disagree with you. Modern politics is a divide and conquer tactic

The tories brought in the gender recognition act
No, they didn't. HTH

Last time I looked the Tories weren't in power in Canada or the US where these issues are rife.

It was always inevitable no matter what party was in power.

This.

it is possible to feel strongly about more than one issue. I want to vote for a party that will support education and the NHS. But the Labour Party seem to be so hidebound by ideology. But there are more parties than Cons and Labour, both of which look like dinosaurs. I will be voting for one of those others and looking forward to one day having a modernised voting system.

I disagree. While things like education, housing and healthcare are massively important, the gender issue is really important for women. It might not matter to you if a bloke in a dress rides a bike in a woman's cycling race, but I bet it will matter if you ask for a female doctor and then realise that the doctor is a transwoman. Or if you are in a swimming pool and someone starts wandering around naked in the female changing room with male bits on show. Or if you are raped and in the vanishingly unlikely scenario that the culprit is charged, that you then have to call them "she" in court and in the even less likely scenario that they are convicted they end up in a woman's prison.

And even if you don't care about any of that because of #bekind, maybe you'll care if your child is abused because a sex offender was able to change their gender and evade safeguarding checks.

I've never voted Tory in a general election and they made a right mess of everything else, but they are absolutely right to try to sort out this mess.

As you say it’s not something that really affects me or I think about now.
However I am concerned that there is a possibility that we might sleepwalk into situations where women’s rights are eroded and then it will be too late.

Yes, I too feel strongly about other issues.
The difference is if women are unrecognisable, we will have nothing.
Which other parties are you thinking of? Green? Stonewalled. Lib dem? Stonewalled. Womens equality party? Yup, stonewalled.

For a pp, the labour party brought in the gra in 2004 hth.

For a different pp
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?page=23&reply=101057943

And
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?page=33&reply=128549663

I disagree purely because most of the tories I have seen have also struggled to define a woman. And frankly I think Labour would do just as shit of a job!

The SDP are and have been consistently TWAM. KJK is standing in one constituency, hopefully others will stand alongside her. We still have a year to go before the next GE so expect more sunlight and more politicians changing their stance.

Don't expect the sitting Tory government or any future Tory government to fix this. They're not going to, if they were they'd have done it by now.

The language that is being used by the NHS at the behest of stonewall et al to describe women and our services such as bleeders, breeders, egg producers, cervix havers, etc because TRAs demand that transwomen must not feel excluded from a service that they will never need or use and we can't upset transmen by pointing out biological reality and bursting their bubble, is harmful and degrading to women. So my question for you what about the 60% of people including many for whom English isn't their first language who don't know what a cervix is or if they have 1 and what about the women who find these derogatory terms horrid mentally and just want to be treated with respect and referred to as the women that they are. Then you need to think about how many women are being excluded by the language and changes that are demanded by these TRA groups to the detriment of all biological women especially when trans makes up 0.2% of the population compared to 51% who are biological women.
Youreally need to ask yourself why are we not all fighting against the dictact of a vocal minority who demand that their wants must come before everyone else's needs

Also let's think for a minute about what is happening in the press - how about the Guardian for a start -

What do you think of this article about Hannah, the adult trans identified male who talks to children on Roblox and sees themselves as a kind of mother to younger players.

amp.theguardian.com/games/2021/apr/24/in-the-game-i-knew-myself-as-hannah-the-trans-gamers-finding-freedom-on-roblox

It wasn't the right wing press that alarmed me. It was the Guardian and others pumping this shit out and glorifying it.

It wasn't the right wing press sending death threats to J.K. Rowling.

The right wing press reported on trans identified rapists demanding to be put in women's prisons. Should I not be horrified by male rapists in women's prisons?

This: Postmodernism has basically led some dumb fucks down a path that justifies their innate authoritarianism.

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It wasn't the right wing press that tried to trans my autistic daughter at school.

It was her 10 year old friend group of girls who saw fit to bully her because she wasn't saying she was a boy as they had all announced they were non binary or boys. She still has mental health issues five years later of being constantly told she was in the wrong body. Guess why?
Because she cut her hair short. That's it. The girls in her friend group decided she was a boy and then ostracised her for not agreeing.

Were they all reading the Times? The Mail? Or were they flamed by Tik Tok and their young activist teachers and their "Be Kind" parents? She developed an eating disorder thanks to these idiots. The girls in her social group were squealing that they wanted breast binders for Christmas.
Her favourite comic book characters are frequently drawn now as trans with mastectomy scars.

This is not a culture war being fanned by the right wing, it's happened at home, on the ground, amongst ordinary people whose children are being actively harmed by an ideology that is based on magical beliefs.
Are we meant to shut up and not say anything?

It really really winds me up now that child abuse is being hidden by people who insist on pretending that nothing is happening.

It's happening to our children.

The question should be why did the left prioritise males who wanted to be women over women? Why did they start talking about " cis" women despite most women rejecting or not recognising the term and supporting self ID and males going in to female sports, prisons and changing rooms if they just said they identified as women? The left could have supported women but they chose not to.