To be annoyed when people liken smacking a child to violence against women?

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It's obviously not the same thing at all and quite insulting to women.

Yanbu, where you do you think the people who smack women get the idea from?

I've never heard anyone liken them.

To be honest, I think there are stark similarities. Physical aggression intended to harm and humiliate.

What difference does it make if the attacked person is a child or adult?

And I say that as someone who was smacked as a child and beaten as a woman.

It's obviously not the same thing at all and quite insulting to women.
It's causing physical pain designed to punish and humiliate. It is the same.

Stronger people hitting people who are, in general, small and less strong?

Yeah. Completely different.🙄

What's the difference?

I'm not sure why the victim being younger and more vulnerable would make physical violence against them more acceptable. If my husband "smacked" me we would be getting a divorce and he would be being prosecuted. If he "smacked" our little 2 year old I don't see why that should be any more acceptable.

There’s zero difference.

It’s just to get the point across that we wouldn’t accept physical violence in adult relationships. I’ve also seen people compare it to a boss hitting an employee, or a someone hitting their friend.

Why don’t you see them as at all similiar? I’m not sure why this bothers you, I don’t think it’s minimising violence against women at all.

Children have less agency than adult women, so I'm not sure why that makes smacking kids any better?

I haven't heard anyone liken them either.

But when I think about it, yes, they are the same thing.

A parent smacking a child to punish them for doing something.
A husband smacking his wife to punish her for doing something.

They both look similar to me.

Anyone smacking anyone is wrong HTH

It’s still hitting. In fact I think it is worse. Hitting a child who has no idea why it any course of keeping themselves safe or even see it is coming is massively different.

Hitting a child is far worse, being hit by the people who are supposed to live and care for you unconditionally, not knowing life can be any different, being too young to leave. An adult has choices, they may have been worn down and manipulated to think that they haven't but there is nothing physically stopping an adult packing their bags and leaving (unless they are physically restrained which does happen). Otherwise the power balance is the same someone bigger and stronger hitting someone weaker.

If you think about the phrase "pick on someone your own size" it makes sense. Generally men are bigger and stronger than women, which is why it's so wrong for them to hurt a woman and adults are bigger than children so logically it follows.

I'm teaching my child that violence is not acceptable, and that includes not hitting him myself.

Always Bigger stronger adult hitting always smaller weaker child = BETTER than

Usually bigger stronger adult hitting usually weaker smaller adult?

how?

articulate clearly why?

I can see both sides. On the one hand it’s causing physical pain to control and punish but in the other in severity it’s not quite the same. It’s also not necessarily used in the same way as it’s not always a loss of temper it might be to stop a child from doing something dangerous in the quickest way possible eg grabbing/slapping hand away from something hot. I don’t agree with smacking but I don’t think it is always exactly the same in motivation/ use of anger/ seriousness

She's walloped her kid, probably.

My mother was the same. No man could hit a woman, but it was fine for her to do it to the children.

Of course it's the bloody same. In fact most men that hit women were likely hit themselves as kids, I bet!

The links between cruelty to pets / child abuse / DV are well proven.

if you think about it is a child getting a smack occasionally from a calm parent using it as a discipline technique the same as a child being severely beaten by an angry parent who has lost control and psychologically abused to prevent them escaping/ seeking help the same? It’s not. It doesn’t mean either are right but they’re not exactly the same thing

I do find the argument against smacking children of 'it isn't OK to hit a wife so why is it OK to hit a child' annoying. Because it isn't OK to take your wife's mobile phone off her, or ground her, or put her in time out either but it is OK to do these to children.

Violence against children is worse than violence against women because it is violence against people who are far smaller, weaker, and more vulnerable.
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Someone more powerful exerting control over someone less powerful through violence.

It is the same. It’s using physical violence to exert control over another, usually physically weaker, person.

The only difference is that women have the (albeit difficult) option of leaving their abuser.