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AIBU to marry for some financial security for me and the children?

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 10:44

Long-time user but with a new account, as the matter is a bit sensitive.

I am a nearly-40 single mother of two young children, with no maintenance from their father (long story, he is reasonably well off, but it is cleverly arranged so the official maintenance is nil). He left when the children were toddler / newborn age.

I have a good, but quite stressful and long-hours career, and a reasonable income. The income does not stretch far in London though (rent north of £2K, childcare north of £1K + everything else on top), and my job does not exist outside London. I don't get any help from the government for anything apart from the 25% single person council tax discount, before everyone jumps on. I am solvent and not in debt, but that's about it. Some months end in the "red" - a school trip or unexpected dental expense usually have to go on credit. I didn't have a holiday (not an exotic holiday, but even a break from work) for 8 years. No pension or savings.

Recently I got closer with a guy I dated in my early 20s (he is a few years older than me, mid-40s). For him, I am (as strange as it sounds for me) "the one who got away", and he apparently carried very strong romantic feelings for me through the years. He has never been married or in a long-term relationship, and never moved out of his parental home. We stayed friends, but more of a "text once a month" friends - not surprisingly, as we are in different countries (he lives back in our home country, and I moved to the UK). I have very warm and friendly feelings for him, somewhat nostalgic, but that's it. He's a great guy and a good friend, but there is absolutely zero romantic or sexual attraction from my side.

He proposed to me last week and I asked for some time to think. And - I am very ashamed to admit - one of the main factors on the "pros" side was to have a second income in the house. I have never been materialistic (quite opposite - very bookish, nerdy and idealistic), so it took me by surprise, and I started feeling a bit disgusted about myself. He is not wealthy, but has a good freelance income (tech sector), roughly at the same level as me. It would be a massive change to our quality of life though, and will open some opportunities to my children that I am currently not able to cover. For clarity, I do not mean him paying for my children, but even just sharing normal living expenses of a couple would make such a difference - and I could start contributing to my own pension and saving.

I am not attractive at all and has never been asked out in my life or visible to men, so it is not a "plenty of fish in the sea" scenario. It is very unusual for me to feel loved and adored to this level, and I feel really bad that I cannot offer the same intensity of feelings in return. If I could electrocute my brain and fall in love with him, I'd do it immediately without a second thought. I think he is aware - he told me he loved me multiple times, but I did not say it back.

Do you think it could work if I "settle"? "Settle" is probably not the right word here, as I am not really looking for other options now, and my realistic expectation prior to reconnecting with him was that I would be single for life.

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 11:08

catsnhats11 · 18/08/2023 11:03

Are you actually in a relationship? It sounds like you are friends and nothing romantic has happened, so that's really odd to suddenly get a proposal... what is in in for him I wonder?

But no personally I wouldn't marry him or anyone in these circumstances, but it seems a lot of people disagree so maybe?.

Yes, in a relationship now. Well, a long-distance one.

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SoTiredNeedHoliday · 18/08/2023 11:08

OP I think at your age you're worldly enough to understand fairytales are just that and that in the end your partner needs to be your most trusted friend - one who will provide company, support and someone you can see yourself sharing great experiences with and growing old with. It sounds like he is just that from what you've said?? As @smartiesneberhadtheanswer says romantic love fades its the friendship that counts.

I don't think your actually considering it for the money I think you are coming to terms with the fact that you don't need to be crazy physically in love....

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 11:09

there is absolutely zero romantic or sexual attraction from my side.

No way. It's hard enough when you love them but without that, it's doomed. I get what you're saying but there's something awful about it that's just wrong. It's not Victorian times. He's not even loaded anyway so you're joining forces and taking on his problems (as well as him taking on yours) for what? No, I couldn't do this and don't think it's a good example for your DC of what marriage should be like. Bottom line is you're using him (understandably but still) and you're not the person he thinks you are. It's never going to go well.

FrippEnos · 18/08/2023 11:09

He wants a relationship, you want a bank account.
It won't be long before you don't want sex and he will be trapped in a loveless, soulless, sexless marriage with someone that still gets his money.

If you can live with yourself for trapping him in that situation then go for it.
Or you can have some self worth and say no.

Of course the middle ground is that you tell him the truth and let him decide.

Piranhaha · 18/08/2023 11:10

If it benefits your kids and you can put up with it, I’d do it. When you become a parent you have to put your kids first.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 11:11

Findyourneutralspace · 18/08/2023 10:50

I can understand your thought process - I’m a single mum in similar circumstances and it’s very hard, but I think it would be seriously unwise to accept his proposal.
Has he even met your children? Bringing a new partner into their lives as a permanent fixture is a huge deal and a strain on even the happiest of in-love couples. You don’t sound like you’ve spent nearly enough time with each other in your present circumstances to make such a life changing decision.

He has met the children briefly. Of course, it will not be a situation where I just bring a stranger into the house. The solution will probably that he will rent somewhere nearby for 6 to 12 month, and it will be a much slower introduction.

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lovewoola · 18/08/2023 11:11

Lots of women choose a spouse for security so I don't think you should beat yourself about it.

Howyiz · 18/08/2023 11:12

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong in not being 'madly in love'. If everything else fits.

However, as others have pointed out there are a lot of potential red flags here. Some of which may have explanations.
The inability to move on from a previous relationship to the point they never had another long term relationship.
Still lives with their parents in their 40's even though they supposedly earn well.
It's easy to 'mask' poor behaviour, particularly when you are only seeing each other in person every 2 months.

I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that scream at me.

Would he move to London and rent his own place for a couple of years while you get to know each other and see how the relationship progresses with often and regular face to face contact.

RitzyMcFitzy · 18/08/2023 11:14

I think a couple can have a successful marriage even if there isn't a whole lot of passion between them, but this sounds to me like a situation where in five years you'd be thinking 'how did I get myself trapped in this situation?'.

Scienceadvisory · 18/08/2023 11:15

If he has never moved out from his parents' house are you sure that he will contribute fairly to the domestic chores or will he see you as a mummy figure? My worry would be having another person to clear up after which will just breed resentment.

DoomsdayPrep · 18/08/2023 11:16

NO

NO

NO

NO

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 11:18

troubleanstrife · 18/08/2023 10:56

Also it sounds like he still lives with his parents overseas?
Is the plan that he would come and live with you in the UK?

Why not just let him come be your lodger / housemate. I have seen stranger setups! If it works? Less dishonest than marrying him, you’ll still share housing cost, he’ll get to enjoy your company every day.

If that doesn’t work, marriage surely won’t either. And divorce is terribly expensive.

The plan is that he comes to the UK, yes, but not with immediate cohabitation. He will probably rent nearby for some time first.

He understandably wants some explicit committment from my side in this situation (thus the proposal), because it is a massive change for him too.

There are some cultural aspects to marriage and adults living with parents too (the latter is more accepted, and marriage is usually a much immediate business than in the West).

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CalistoNoSolo · 18/08/2023 11:18

So many people on this thread who would marry for money and see nothing wrong with doing so. How depressing.

talknomore · 18/08/2023 11:18

Would he only move to the UK after marrying you? Can he not rent for 12 months and you can test this relationship that way? There are many more things to consider than sex. The actual domesticity and seeing each other day after day.

tiagra · 18/08/2023 11:18

Very unfair to do this to him unless you're completely up front about what's going on then he can decide if it's ok or not.

talknomore · 18/08/2023 11:19

"explicit commitment" is that you are going to spend your time with him and introduce him to your kids. He has to understand that this is A LOT.

lovewoola · 18/08/2023 11:19

@CalistoNoSolo I love my DH & he's very attractive but part of that attraction is a similar background & his work ethic & ambition. I'm probably more ambitious though.

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2023 11:20

CalistoNoSolo · 18/08/2023 11:18

So many people on this thread who would marry for money and see nothing wrong with doing so. How depressing.

If that’s what you’ve taken from it you haven’t read it properly. There’s a world of difference between marrying for money and thinking the Disney fairy tale isn’t necessary for a happy marriage.

Caffeineislife · 18/08/2023 11:20

Does he have siblings? Is he from a culture where the children's wives care for their elderly PIL? At 40s he's likely got parents that are getting older and he may be looking for someone to take care of them. The fact he has such a good job and still lives with parents is a bit of a red flag to me. Would he want you and the children to go live with him and the parents?

I think you need to weigh it all up and be honest.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 11:21

Most people discover in the end that they’ve settled however it starts out.

I nearly settled for a guy like this before I got together with my now DH (20+ years). There's such a world of difference, which I think is why this is turning my stomach a bit, when I look back and think I could've been with that guy who was so into me and so good on paper but I didn't feel for him in that way. He was similarly someone who hadn't really had a grown up LTR and... it's hard to explain, but I feel really grim about it in retrospect, because I wasn't being true to myself or him. I'm so relieved I didn't have to go through with it and that's why I'm feeling like the OP should listen to her heart/gut not her head because she'd have to go through life with this guy as husband and wife and it's not just a practical matter, it's huge.

Doing it for the kids is a bum steer too as he's barely met them, has no track record of being good with kids at all, and could be much worse than OP being a lone parent. I think of my mum moving in with a guy for a while before she got back with my dad and my stomach's churning again. I don't think many kids are that keen for their mum to remarry and certainly not if it's not someone who doesn't make their mum 100% happy. So don't do it for the kids. It's no given that they'll want him as their father figure and that will make things hard too if you're not a rock solid team.

I'd say take it very slowly and don't make any decisions you're not certain of. But then I think the fact that he's proposed already says he's not thinking wisely and isn't at all aware of how this will play out IRL so that's a problem too.

cyncope · 18/08/2023 11:21

I would definitely trial living together for a year first, maintaining separate finances, before agreeing to a marriage.

OhComeOnFFS · 18/08/2023 11:23

I don't understand why you are having sex with him when you don't want to.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 11:24

He understandably wants some explicit committment from my side in this situation (thus the proposal), because it is a massive change for him too.

I don't think he should make this massive change for someone who doesn't love or fancy him. It's the wrong thing for both of you. Kinder to end it now.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 11:25

CalistoNoSolo · 18/08/2023 10:59

No. Absolutely, 100% not. This is a terrible idea. He has an idealised version of you in his head. He will want sex. He will guaranteed become unhappy and resentful when you don't reciprocate his desire and feelings and don't behave how his idealised version of you should behave. You are going to put your children in a vulnerable position and this also may negatively affect your own financial security. All in all it's a dreadful idea.

I am concerned that, indeed, he has created over all these years a very idealised version of me, which probably was much easier to maintain in a long-distance relationship. Not too concerned about financial security, as despite a decent income, I have literally nothing.

Why would I put my children in a vulnerable position? Of course, if I see any red flags with respect to them, I won't continue with the relationship. They are actually my main consideration in this situation - to put it bluntly, do I owe it to them to try and provide a better quality of life, even if it goes a bit against my "wants"?

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drpet49 · 18/08/2023 11:25

CalistoNoSolo · 18/08/2023 10:59

No. Absolutely, 100% not. This is a terrible idea. He has an idealised version of you in his head. He will want sex. He will guaranteed become unhappy and resentful when you don't reciprocate his desire and feelings and don't behave how his idealised version of you should behave. You are going to put your children in a vulnerable position and this also may negatively affect your own financial security. All in all it's a dreadful idea.

This. You so irresponsible for even contemplating this

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