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Left 5yo alone in a restaurant for 2 minutes

567 replies

Havanawinter · 16/08/2023 20:03

I was in a chain restaurant with DS today who is 5, 6 in November. After the waitress had taken our order I went to the loo, leaving DS happily colouring at the table. Before I left I told the woman at the table next to us (who had young children) that I was nipping to the loo and could she please keep half an eye on DS.

When I arrived back at the table literally 2 minutes later I was basically chastised by the waitress for leaving. “I didn’t know if you were coming back for him! I was so worried!” Which seems a bit far fetched considering I’d also left my phone, purse, keys and bag of shopping on the table. She huffed at me again and left, but I could see her taking to her colleagues across the room about it. That was the end of the whole thing but it left me feeling a bit weird, it never even occurred to me that I was doing something wrong but now I’m wondering if my behaviour was unreasonable? Honest opinions welcome!

OP posts:
JMaggs93 · 18/08/2023 09:36

So the waitress is an idiot for being concerned about a child's wellbeing, when every day you hear horror stories? Seems the idiot here is you.

LuvSmallDogs · 18/08/2023 09:38

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 07:07

I take it you have not personally come across 5 year olds that pick pocket then? I have come across a fair few. Some are trained to, some just have a natural talent ( actually I only know one with the natural talent, but there are probably others) I don't even think it is particularly unusual in my city.

What I don't understand is why you think referring to a common phenomenon is "bonkers"?

JFC, do you live in Victorian London? 🤣Maybe you should help the poor brats find work in a factory or up chimneys instead!

Ohhoho · 18/08/2023 10:00

It depends on many little things like how far away was the loo? Was it in visible distance. And surely if it was near and child happily drawing and you’d told him and he’d said ok it was just politeness to inform nearest adults where you were going for a few minutes so they weren’t alarmed. It’s not putting your child in their care and responsibility! Such over reactions to it all here. The waitress was rude did she really think you had abandoned your child? Very strange restaurant. I suppose if you and child often go out together this would not have been first time. To take all valuables and child to loo is very disruptive. Surely in a restaurant you have left your child in a safe place for a few minutes. It must be very frightening for children to feel they are in such constant danger.

BlastedIce · 18/08/2023 10:13

DameCurlyBassey · 18/08/2023 09:13

Your statement is more ridiculous than you think I am being. Letting a young child sleep overnight with people you don’t really know is ridiculous to me. Being cautious about such things doesn’t mean that kids don’t have freedom or that they have to be wrapped in cotton wool, but for me there are certain situations that would make me feel uneasy - as though I was unnecessarily courting danger.

Things happened to me when I was a kid and had to be left alone for one reason or another ( I don’t want to go into detail)!. It is sad but from that time I realised that the adult world isn’t always what it seems. I never told my mum what happened to me until I was well in my 30’s. She was devastated. There were times she had to leave me alone through no fault of her own. She didn’t know that people she trusted were not to be trusted. Everyone thought those people were outstanding humans.

my experience is unusual I know and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone but I am living proof of what can happen and it has affected the way I see the world. Please be kind.

I wish people would stop using the phrase “be kind”, just because others have differing views.

I still think you’re massively over protective, that’s my opinion.

DameCurlyBassey · 18/08/2023 10:13

BlastedIce · 18/08/2023 07:37

Exactly, this is why we’ve got so many on MN, with “social anxiety”, “anxiety” and can’t open the door or go out, or socialise and the cycle goes on and on

Respectfully, you don’t seem to understand much about anxiety.

It is probably more likely for anxiety to be caused by lived experience of negative or traumatic events that people have had rather than their fear of such experiences.

please stop mocking mental health conditions. You are part of a lucky majority who have not been the victim
of paedos etc but those who sadly have been have a right to speak of their experience and warn others not to expose their children to unecessary danger.

If the McCanns had come on here and said they were on holiday in a safe place and going out to dinner just a few yards from the kids with an adult checking them every 20 mins you would have all said it was fine and would have mocked those of us who would have warned them not to take the chance.

roarrfeckingroar · 18/08/2023 10:14

I would do that - and have - with a younger child. The waitress was being ridiculous.

roarrfeckingroar · 18/08/2023 10:19

This thread has been eye opening. Some people must live their lives in abject fear.

BlastedIce · 18/08/2023 10:20

roarrfeckingroar · 18/08/2023 10:19

This thread has been eye opening. Some people must live their lives in abject fear.

Exactly!

DameCurlyBassey · 18/08/2023 10:25

BlastedIce · 18/08/2023 10:13

I wish people would stop using the phrase “be kind”, just because others have differing views.

I still think you’re massively over protective, that’s my opinion.

With respect* it is neither here nor there to me what some random stranger on MN thinks of me. That you can make such a statement about someone you have never met and that you can’t imagine someone who doesn’t take unnecessary risks living a carefree life says a lot.

*be kind is a request to be heard without being mocked.

BlastedIce · 18/08/2023 10:28

DameCurlyBassey · 18/08/2023 10:25

With respect* it is neither here nor there to me what some random stranger on MN thinks of me. That you can make such a statement about someone you have never met and that you can’t imagine someone who doesn’t take unnecessary risks living a carefree life says a lot.

*be kind is a request to be heard without being mocked.

Stating my opinion and pointing out stuff, is not mocking.

With respect if you post on a forum you’re going to have your opinions challenged, you can’t imagine that others have a different opinion of risk, you think everyone should agree with you?

jannier · 18/08/2023 10:29

Why didn't you take him? Most 5 year olds could do with a wee anyway

Josell12345 · 18/08/2023 10:38

Id also put a complaint in about the waitress. Really ott response. I might do it depending on the 5 yr old but regardless its not like you went shopping for 2 hrs. How does she know you didnt have an emerg where u needed to run for the loo. Abs ridiculous response.

Josell12345 · 18/08/2023 10:40

As parents we have to judge risk daily. Its our job to allow some risk and also imagine if you had to race to the loo for any number of reasons. Parent judged risk. Wasnt a massive one. Waitress was a bit ott and quite rude tbh. Thata about it.

HarrietJet · 18/08/2023 10:51

Josell12345 · 18/08/2023 10:38

Id also put a complaint in about the waitress. Really ott response. I might do it depending on the 5 yr old but regardless its not like you went shopping for 2 hrs. How does she know you didnt have an emerg where u needed to run for the loo. Abs ridiculous response.

Put in a complaint? I left my 5 year old alone in your restaurant and the waitress was concerned enough to keep an eye on him?
They'll probably give her a bonus. And request op takes her business elsewhere in future Grin

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 18/08/2023 11:17

I really enjoyed reading this thread!

(a) I'd normally take my kid to the loo with me, but I've honestly never thought about it. She's never said she doesn't want to come. Whether or not I'd leave her alone would really depend on what sort of day she was having and what sort of venue we were in. It's not so much about predatory adults as her bothering other diners or slithering under their tables.
(b) I don't know OP's kid and trust her judgment that he was going to be fine for a few minutes on his own (as indeed he was).
(c) I'd have told a member of staff as well as/instead of another diner if I planned to leave her alone for a minute.
(d) I don't blame the waitress for clocking a child alone, but god knows where she got the idea that the mum just wouldn't come back - that's ridiculous and I think I would complain about that especially if it was said in front of my child.

Samlewis96 · 18/08/2023 11:22

Edellondon · 16/08/2023 21:09

I would never leave my five year old alone in public, growing up seeing stories of Jamie Bulger and Madeline McCann I can't believe someone would. I'm sure you didn't think too much about it but please don't do it again. Unfortunately there are pedophilies everywhere and you look out for opportunities to abuse children. I'd be happy the waitress was looking out for your son and take this as a lesson and move on

Jamie Bulgaria wasn't left alone you know

FedUpWithEverything123 · 18/08/2023 11:22

No way would I ever do this, leave my small child in public out of my sight. Take him with you. Very dangerous imo.

louderthan · 18/08/2023 11:28

If someone asked me to keep and eye on their kid in a restaurant I'd be very uncomfortable.
I have no experience of children and wouldn't know what I was keeping an eye out for.

Viviennemary · 18/08/2023 11:32

No you shouldn't have left him alone. Not in this day and age.

BlastedIce · 18/08/2023 11:40

Viviennemary · 18/08/2023 11:32

No you shouldn't have left him alone. Not in this day and age.

What’s worse in this day and age?

you think they’re is a greater risk now than 20,30,30 years ago?

eggandonion · 18/08/2023 11:42

I looked after a pair of twins in a side by side buggy a few years ago. Their mum had an older child who she was taking into the ladies but the buggy wouldn't fit through the door.
I suppose she could have left them outside alone. Or sent a three year old in alone. Or let the three year old wet herself.

I was being kind.

sugarapplelane · 18/08/2023 11:47

Depends entirely on you and your child. I, like you, would have left my 5 year old DD as she was sensible and not prone to running off, causing havoc etc and I’m not an anxious parent.

My MIL however would have been agast at this as she would always think the worst and she’s far too anxious.

You were fine to do what you did and the waitress was causing drama where done was needed

Likesicecream · 18/08/2023 11:51

Responses here are bonkers, it’s fine!

Goldbar · 18/08/2023 12:00

louderthan · 18/08/2023 11:28

If someone asked me to keep and eye on their kid in a restaurant I'd be very uncomfortable.
I have no experience of children and wouldn't know what I was keeping an eye out for.

That's presumably why the OP asked another parent. Since most parents (at least those of school age children) have some experience of looking after kids other than their own.

Tinklyheadtilt · 18/08/2023 12:01

The waitress overreacted, but at that age you should take the child with you.