Gross negligence? Knowingly placing an individual with TB on a barge intended for 500?

[Nevermay]

or sending anyone onto the barge at all, when it was known the water supply was contaminated with legionnaires disease?

Gross negligence? Reckless endangerment?

Any individual who contributed to the situation, placing asylum seekers on the barge while knowing either that one had TB, or that the water supply was unsafe needs to be taken to court and charged, who ever they are.

surely?

Rates of TB in the UK indigenous population are about 8 per 100 000, and rates of not been falling "forever", they climbed dramatically in recent decades, as a result of errors in public health, and are falling now since the reintroduction of the immunisation.

It uis very much a british disease, and has been for centuries

@Nevermay "the legionnaire's disease originated in the UK - nobody "arrived" with it"
That's not quite right because you can get Legionaire's disease from taps and showers that are not used often.
So it stands to reason that people coming on boats after travelling half way around the world to get here, having been doing much washing.

"The TB might well have done too, given the conditions people are being warehoused in, this individual might well have caught TB here"

Excuse me? What do you mean by "warehoused in". Round here they are put in 4* hotels which certainly aren't "warehouses".

what are you talking about? The legionnaires disease was on the barge! before any people were! You get it from the water supply - the water supply in question is a uk water supply!

I never said that TB was not found in the UK, however it is much higher in some countries and the World Health Organization does not consider that the UK has anything other than a low incidence. If you actually look at the studies being in poor health generally, being overcrowded, and living with others who have the disease raise rates. Where people don't have chronic health issues , or live in large properties with no overcrowding there is much less likelihood of catching it.
I don't know if you are taking my comments to imply racism? That is not the case, it's an observation that people arrived from some countries have a higher incidence due to the above factors.

That doesn't mean people couldn't arrive with it.

It does actually - no one is at any threat from anyone arriving with it, that is not how you catch it, the threat is entirely, 100% absolutely in total from the UK!

How do you know people couldn't catch it enroute?

Not one person has been knowingly sent to a barge with a legionella problem.

As @AutumnCrow has demonstrated, that is not true. And you also have the fact that people were put on a barge where they know that water has been left standing for a couple of years, where they have taken samples for testing for legionella and that the result haven't come back. So, as a minimum, a deliberate risk was taken in circumstances where they could perfectly well have delayed a few days.

How hard would it have been to ensure that the testing was done before they took delivery? As it is, they've wasted billions on something that is just going to sit there doing nothing.

Other businesses who have put people at risk like this should be prosecuted. Undoubtedly those responsible for this should also be prosecuted and fined, rip to and including the Home Secretary.

This, for me, is the unforgivable and inexplicable attitude. It’s not our problem. The French shouldn’t let them leave. So this is the logic is it - the French should work hard to keep the migrants stop it being our problem and ensure it remains theirs? Is that really your policy? We chose to leave the EU and its community advantages, why on earth should the French - or any other EU country, shoulder all the responsibility for displaced human beings simply because of the way the earth is carved up? why should France or Italy or Greece take on and pay for all these people alone, leaving us in the UK to sit back and do nothing to help? Aside from the crazy policy logic - ‘the french should keep them all so we don’t have to have any’ - why on earth would the French go out of their way to ‘stop the boats’ (humanity aside, like these arguments) when all it does is give their own country more migrants and more costs? Why should the French be moral, selfless, proactive in relation to such a selfish amoral frankly inhuman Uk government?
Humanity aside.

Probably with the same Suella like justification of ‘it’s dangerous for the migrants, that’s why we want to stop it’. Like anyone who says those 3 bloody words - stop the boats - really gives a shit about the migrants lives being in peril rather the migrants being present, bodily and alive, on uk shores.

instead of seeing all those young men (that’s how the Suella crew like to sway it, it’s all
fit young men coming over just wanting a better life, how fucking outrageous), trying to make a better life at our expense, how about when we think of illegal migration we think of that poor little boy washed up on a uk beach. or those pictures of a holiday dinghy you’ve been on with 6 other people crammed with 40 humans. Or how about you imagine that the boat has 40 people you know in it, your parents, your children, you’d neighbours, your teenaged sons and all their friends. Just how desperate and scared do you have to be to sat 11 days on a ship’s bloody outside rudder. Have you seen the pictures? Have you been on a boat in choppy seas from INSIDE it, let alone facing into those waves? For more than a few hours? In the wind and the waves and the dark? What pushes someone to that extreme of behaviour? Not economic betterment, but pure and simple desperation. Have some humanity. As someone said on any questions on Friday, if we can’t in the UK (with all our economic and geographical advantages) absorb 20,000 more people each year then what sort of a country have we become. And he didn’t even talk about our colonial past and that maybe, maybe, this could be part of our atonement.

Legionella bacteria occur in rivers and ponds, but only tend to cause problems in water systems where the temperature is right for them to proliferate.

So that includes the Middle East doesn't it? And that's where most illegal migrants come from.

This paper says Iran has 27% contamination of it's water supply with Legionaires Disease and that where 10% of illegal migrants come from.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6230937/

We all had tb vaccinations at school. My son had one at 6 months because of the area we live in and the amount of people who spit on the floor and so are more likely to spread it. That was several years ago now. This is just spin to get em readers frothing.

But migration numbers have tripled from 200,000 people a year to 600,000 people a year. What impact will sustaining those numbers have on demographics in 5 years or 10? If every person brings their family over and then has three kids? I’m no daily mail Tory, being a 2nd generation immigrant on both sides married to an immigrant, but this does concern me and there should be space to discuss it without being told you’re being horribly racist to poor migrants.

I thought it had happened as they had increased its capacity.

Because of this, the showers weren’t able to get hot enough as there were too many. And the water temperatures caused legionella.

This government! You couldn’t make it up.

Follow that argument to its logical conclusion and we would never take any asylum seekers because we are an island nation so people have no choice but to pass through or over other countries to get to us. Why should we be immune?

And why should genuine refugees be prevented from joining their families? I can't imagine the horror of being forced in fear for my life to leave my home, my belongings, my friends and everything I know and to have to travel to start again in another country. Of course I would want to go somewhere where I know people and already speak the language. Is that really so terrible?

@Guiltridden12345 I don't see it's our problem when we have all the billionaire sheikhs in the Gulf states refusing aid to their own Muslim brothers & sisters.

They are all ripping the west off with outrageous oil prices and now we are expected to take and house their own country men.

They have loads of room so why can't they step up to the plate?

I've seen some ridiculous arguments in my time ...

You do know that, if you live nearby, the TB carrier (and everyone they infect, including people working on the barge) could still be in your local café?

This is, of course, nonsense. Just for once, @Wsmi, why don't you try a bit of fact checking before you post, or indeed taking in the facts that are freely available and linked by other posters?

Do you think they'll find it very nice to die of TB or legionella?

So the question is where did the barge come from?
Did it come from France and bring the legions with it and therefore the French should pay for the problems of fixing it?
This is why we need to shut all our borders and take back control.

So you can't have a reasoned argument without resorting to insults - nice.

Socialists are always banging on about re-distribution of wealth but when I bring it up I get insulted - logical, not.

It seems they only want to 'redistribute wealth' when it suits them and they're getting something out of it, now that's selfish..

If we closed sea borders it would decimate our trade and economy.

Anyone who had a positive flowerprick test at school (half my class) is already infected. It's just latent but can become active at any time.

Most pulmonary TB is UK born.

I think it is almost certain that migrants from Iran took with them bottles of water with Legionella in it, then tipped those into the water supply on the barge a few weeks ago to catch the government out.

That or it was the little green men, do they have legonella where they come from?

We know that legionnaire's disease was on the barge before any asylum seeker was housed there, because it was in water samples taken from the barge beforehand.